why they love to hate logic

[kuniklo]

So, kuniklo, in a way I would agree with you - IF someone started all the way from the start, with no proper computer present allready, the killer price Logic is sold for (IMO completely unbeatable by any comparable combination of similar products) *might* eventually compensate for the higher price you'll have to pay for a Mac. Fine.
It's just that people allready own PCs (personally I don't know ANYBODY without one anymore).
That's what might spoil the Emapple deal sooner or later.

Yes. That is the question. How many people are there out there like you and me that care enough about Logic to pay the price premium to switch from a functional and capable PC? Time will tell. The pro and even semi-pro market will probably pay an extra 2-3k per workstation without even blinking but for students and amateurs it could be critical. Apple has survived for a long time as a niche boutique brand and perhaps they'll be able to do so in the music software market as well. They have managed to close the price gap somewhat in the last few years.

Personally I don't really care much about Apple hardware and would love to see them port Os X + apps over to commodity x86 hardware but that's clearly not going to happen.

[kuniklo]

Allright, what do I recommend to someone allready owning a PC and starting to get into, say, homerecording?
Do I recommend shelling out quite some more money to buy a Mac?
Defenitely not!

I probably wouldn't either for someone just starting out. My younger brother, still in college, has recently taken an interest in learning to make his own music instead of just dj-ing.

He's already got a cheap but decent dell pc so I suggested to him that he pick up a copy of Live 4 and some free synths and see if he's really interested in making music. Once he's had a year or two to work with this stuff I might then suggest he think about a Mac. His Live skills will transfer over directly and he can start working with Logic if he thinks he needs something more powerful than Live 4.

Of course, Live 5 might be out by then and just completely destroy everybody.

[DHR53]

Because I don't work there anymore (I like my office at home better) doesn't mean they got rid of their Macs. What's your point? I said they have probably 25 or more Macs up there now, I just don't support them anymore... Apparently no one wants to discuss the real issue... Logic on a Mac G5 is a fantastic DAW, and there are more great plugs available for the platform than I can afford... You know which plugs I used the most on my PC? The same ones I have on my Mac... I just don't have the 30 or so I downloaded on my PC and never used...

[blaster78]

Because I don't work there anymore (I like my office at home better) doesn't mean they got rid of their Macs. What's your point? I said they have probably 25 or more Macs up there now, I just don't support them anymore... Apparently no one wants to discuss the real issue... Logic on a Mac G5 is a fantastic DAW, and there are more great plugs available for the platform than I can afford... You know which plugs I used the most on my PC? The same ones I have on my Mac... I just don't have the 30 or so I downloaded on my PC and never used...

the real issue is is that you just want everyone to agree with you that the only thing anyone should ever use for music is a mac g5 and logic....

and most people dont.

so you got your panties in a bunch.

get over it, use your machine if that makes you happy. i'll continue to use mine. others will continue to use theirs be that a mac or a pc. i dont need to prove anything to anyone if i can write a tune that i'm happy with.

steve.

[nuffink]

Because I don't work there anymore (I like my office at home better) doesn't mean they got rid of their Macs. What's your point?

My point is, among the places in a bank you'll never see a mac are:-

Treasury
Front office.
Middle office.
Back Office.
Accounts.
Actuarial.

Do I have to go on?

...Apparently your school knows something you don't!... The bank I used to work for had a support staff of 15 people to keep the 50 PCs and servers running... We had one person to keep 25 Macs, 2 servers and 4 printers running... Me! ...ignorant twat indeed!

...he wasn't quite conducting a fair test.

Stevie would be proud.

[Rabid]

Did anyone really hate Logic before Mac screwed over the PC Windows clients?

Robert

[DHR53]

I realize this ain't OSX audio... it's a PC centric forum... Obviously! That's fine with me, I have 2 PCs like I said already, and I don't discriminate against them I try and know as much as I can about all platforms... But, Everyone I know has a Mac! Admittedly I'm in the Advertising business, but saying everyone has a PC?? well, I could say the same thing... Are PCs cheaper, initially maybe, but the average person who doesn't know anything about computers could get a lot farther with a basic Mac than a cheap PC... Most cheap PCs are sold with a restore disk only and the lowest quality parts they can sell wiith a frightening failure rate... If something goes wrong, they're screwed! They take it back to the superstore, they restore the disk, wipe out everything, annd keep doing this till the warranty runs out... I can tell you it's much easier to fix Mac problems... Worse with OSX, but still way easier... So which is more expensive in the long run?? I've had Macs that could be used and upgraded for 5-10 years... Uh, no way with a PC... It's economies of scale, no way Macs could be as cheap as PCs... I recommend people buy a PC if they need a laptop, and a Mac for a desktop... But if they ask me to help them out along the way, I have to tell them to get a Mac, if they can afford it... It's easier to support!

[jmh]

Mr. JMH... please provide me with some examples of your work? ...and I'll decide who is a wanker...

http://homepage.mac.com/dhrooser/Menu7.html

Nice design work. Pages don't work on Firefox/PC, is that an Apple standard now?

Totally irrelevant to the 'discussion' though (as in the dialog I engaged myself by posting to this thread)

Another totally irrelevant thing. I worked on IT support at an university. Two classrooms full of Macs. Rest of the machines PC, about 50/50. Downstairs was this country's top place for computer and arts related studies, full of Macs. We had one Mac support person in our floor and one downstairs. I took care of PCs in our floor and at the photographic section's floor. Both Mac guys busted their asses doing work throughout the whole time. Working extra hours was normal. Me, did max 5 hours per week any PC support, so I had to do Mac support and other menial jobs as well. Not a good impression of how differents machines work. But totally irrelevant, just thought I'd share this. Oh, I also got the biggest Mac at the time as my secondary work machine. 10.0 or 10.1 OSX. Did most of my work on my PC though as it was so much faster to work on it. And yeah, done a lot of work on Macs at different places, as long as I've used PCs.

And this nothing to do with the 'discussion'.

Anyways, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough not to even begin addressing the points in your opinions and arguments that are totally off reality. I'll rather just see you continue digging, you've sure managed to do that

I guess it's also worth mentioning I'm not going to post any links about designs I've done. Same also goes for posting links to my music, in case that is required in order to address you in this thread. No personal photos either (PM me and I'll dig up the sauciest ones;)). Comparing the objective goodness with a measure such as 'ok-your-designs-are-good-enough-so-you-can-talk-to-me-about-something-totally-irrelevant-to-design' would be rather fruitless regarding the topic, agreed?

Oh, I'm also high as a kite =) Hence the lack of expletives and digging into the opponent's personality with snide remarks... I'm just being a smartass

Regards,

JMH

[kenn michael]

For those who talk about Logic development not moving fast since the Apple acquisition...

One of the major transformations happening with Logic is the removal of legacy code. Things are being optimized and things are being put in place to finally take advantage of OSX only technologies and features. I'm guessing that once the transition to a modern codebase is complete, we'll see a lot more innovations to workflow, usability and GUI. Lotta stuff going on under the hood.

[putte]

gentlemen .. may i propose you the following thread:

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 439#769439

[DHR53]

I said: Logic on a G5 is an awesome DAW platform! ...you said: something about wanking!

P.S. my site is viewable on PC or Mac in Mozilla... Not a Mac standard!
http://homepage.mac.com/dhrooser/Menu7.html

[mdg]

Ok heres why I will NEVER buy another Logic program EVER.

2001
saved enough to buy Logic Gold for PC. (More than 350$ US)

I messed up the installation and reformated the disk and re-installed Logic Gold.

2002 Sytem crashed and Gold re-installed. System crashed again after virus attack. Tried to re-install. Dll is missing.
In ADDITION to having a dongle they also insisted you use a 3.5 inch disk and have it in when you unistall.
It actually placed the Dll needed on the Hard drive then PUT IT BACK on the floppy...a limit of twice!!!

I called and was told, a disk is on the way...

It never came.

The company discontinued all support for PC Logic.

I discontinued all support of Logic.

They suck when it comes to loyalty. When I use a Mac I use Mark Of the Unicorn performer, when I use PC it is Cubase.

[jones-y]

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Done guys?






popsych, still using Logic 5.3?

[jon9091]

2002 Sytem crashed and Gold re-installed. System crashed again after virus attack. Tried to re-install. Dll is missing.

Ok . . . and here is why I personally would never buy a PC.

[machinesworking]

Hmm? I KNEW this topic was flame bait!
Anyway...

I may still use my pc as a dedicated z3ta host if I can figure out a way to make it work without too much hassle.

WORMHOLE is the first kid on the block to actually feed audio between the two! I'm thinking about picking up a PC just for z3ta!