KVR Audio

fake · Post by **fake** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:40 am

Kriminal wrote:
fake wrote:I have usb disabled in the bios and will not use anything usb, even a dongle.

Why? What about your music kybd, surely not MIDI

I don't need to use usb. I use the ps2 ports for mouse and kbd, the printer port for the printer and a comm port for the modem. No midi on this pc its just for internet and dvd's.
The other one has midi!

fake

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:45 am

whyterabbyt wrote:So instead of complaining about dongles; go set fire to a software pirate's house....

...or his ship..

Steven West · Post by **Steven West** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:47 am

I remember my interest in the Yamaha Vocaloid (still am kinda?) But at the time I believe many pointed out a 'dongle protection' on it that they detested.
I too am still kinda in the dark about 'dongles' and how they interact?

So in laymans terms - if I were to buy a Vocaloid, there's some USB little doodle I put into a port as I install the software? And if so, does this doodle dongle device STAY in the port after installation?

If it just comes in like a bank card until the transactions complete, and the software is installed properly - that's not so bad. But if it has to STAY there...

I'm on a old lappy now, and would like some added clarity on this for the future please. Vocaloid or else?

ew · Post by ew » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:59 am

Vocaloid uses a unique spin on the dongle idea-you need a functioning network card installed in order to use it.
Yes,programs that require dongles have to have the dongle plugged in to use them.
ew

putte · Post by **putte** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:23 am

i have more than 450 plugins with dongle-copyprotection, and am happy.
sure, it takes some time configuring the various projects and songs, as some plugs arent needed in this one, but in the other one.
therefor i rent myself a small and cheap garage about 35 miles from here, where i can store the dongles i don´t need in lockable cylinders.

Steven West · Post by **Steven West** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:32 am

Wow! So that's what a Dongle is?

So every time you want to use a particular piece of 'dongle software' - this little doodle doo-hickey thing has to go in a USB port? OUCH! I think I got 3/4 USB's on my lappy - 1 for my UW500 audio box, 1 for my printer, 1 for my mouse... Crap - it is just 3!

So if I inadvertantly bought software that uses a dongle - I'd have to unplug my printer to put in this USB dongle device. But then if I wanted to print part of the manual to read as I learn the synth, I can't - because I'd have to pull out the 'dongle' to plug my printer back in... And thus the synth would go Kaa-put on me? Or disengage my audio unit so I can see the controls and print the manual - but hear no sound. Or disengage my mouse and use my 'nipple' to navigate...? I'm sorry - but I reserve that only for porn sites!

That's like driving a car with The Club on the steering wheel! And I think THAT's illegal? Even if it is YOUR OWN car?

But you're right Ew - I do recall now the Vocaloid being about the Network Card business. And to be honest, I'm not sure if my lappy's got one - or if it's even compatible?

This Dongle and NIC business doesn't improve sales from this poor sap I can tell you.

Steven West · Post by **Steven West** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:36 am

Putte - I believe it!

Now do you keep the weed on the top shelf so short cops can't reach it, or near the bottom for 'easy access'?

Miro · Post by **Miro** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:37 am

putte

putte · Post by **putte** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:41 am

Steven West wrote:Now do you keep the weed on the top shelf so short cops can't reach it, or near the bottom for 'easy access'?

no .. its the same as with the dongles: i keep the weed in a rented greenhouse about 68 miles from the dongle-garage .. its all a bit stressy sometimes to manage all this, but then again i just need the space.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:41 am

Musicians are just spoiled. Try working as a graphics professional. Some of my previously dongled software has moved to ethernet-keyed protection, but I still have a long line of parallel port dongles sticking out of my animation system, supporting:

-3DS Max
-Combustion
-After Effects
-Maya
-World Builder
-A couple of plugins (I forget which ones required dongles at the moment..)

My poor parallel port can barely support the weight of all these annoying dongles. I tried putting them inline with a cable, but then half of the programs refused to run

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:42 am

(at the cafe)

OMG! It must be illegal that my 1176 can only be used on 1 channel at once! WTF! Why cant I just use it on every channel, I paid for it?

Analog is crappy copy protection

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:44 am

Steven West wrote:
That's like driving a car with The Club on the steering wheel! And I think THAT's illegal? Even if it is YOUR OWN car?

No, thats like driving a car with your key in the ignition switch. Every car has a dongle. Otherwise, people would pirate, I mean steal them.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:51 am

Shane Sanders wrote:
maxlef wrote:
fake wrote:BTW You can daisy chain up to 127 usb ports!
and what if i want to use MORE than 127 different plugins ?

i have the right
Does a computer exist that will allow 127 cpu-sucking VSTs to run at the same time?

At any rate, I have a lot USB devices, including some dongles, and the coolest thing I've found to do is buy one of those portable Belkin USB extender things. It has a USB cable coming out of it that you attach to the computer and the device has 6 or 8 USB inputs. So you get an 8:1 ratio of devices versus ports.

Does that slow down the transfer of info from each device though? just curious as it seems to be a worthy option.

Peace!

Steven West · Post by **Steven West** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:00 am

- Putte

Deastman, yeah I hear you. But shouldn't just a CD-ROM be 'the key' so to speak? And a personal PIN number be the code to your life savings? I know, I know - with all the burners and rippers out these days, it's as good as taking a set of keys off a counter do to a hardware store and grinding out copies in a few minutes.

But wasn't there talk of 'copy protected' CD's coming out years ago? I remembered the big stink was that it 'may infringe on audio quality to subject the TOC to any more than it's intended for' yada-yada. But it's like no software or media company has ever gone back to revisit that these days? And maybe it would just make better burners and rippers in the long run as well to 'override these insipid schemes that deter easy access to all'?

Okay - so this dongle has 'info' on it. Can't the info be copied onto a USB External HD, and by just merely opening a file named 'Dongles' - you could run many protected synths at once then by fooling the USB port to bring in every needed code for the devices?

This is what I don't get still?

fishbowl.tucson.az · Post by **fishbowl.tucson.az** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:02 am

[quote="spoonboiler"]I understand what you are saying, but it is perfectly legal. Some of the license agreements that software companies make you agree to are not legal, and wouldn't stand up in court if you could afford as many lawyers as the company can.

This is an international forum. The laws are not the same everywhere. Even if you only consider the United States, the laws vary from state to state, and the distinction between a civil infraction and a crime are not necessarily clear. Nothing we can discuss so generally is going to apply to every situation regarding copyright.

Is dongle illegal ?