Reason vs FL Studio: Great sounding track without mastering?

[Tannaliini]

Just out of curiosity:
Which one (Reason/FL Studio) would YOU use if you could NOT use any mastering effects (no EQ, no Compression...)? Only the sounds/synths & maybe reverb & delay - nothing else?

Or is there any difference when not using time on the final mastering?

[antic604]

Just out of curiosity:
Which one (Reason/FL Studio) would YOU use if you could NOT use any mastering effects (no EQ, no Compression...)? Only the sounds/synths & maybe reverb & delay - nothing else?

Or is there any difference when not using time on the final mastering?

Reason, of course! FL sucks in terms of workflow (for me!) and you can get great sounding stuff by just arranging and sculpting the sounds properly at track/bus level.

[Trancit]

That´s at the very end a nonsense thread...

"Great sounding track" and "no EQ" isn´t possible at all...
No matter what you would use there is no way in thousand years getting a track sounding decent at all without being able to restrict sounds in their frequency spectrum...

Second, I don´t get this kind of thinking at all...
As big as differences between these 2 or all other DAWs are... the lack of certain (necessary) fx would make the smallest difference from all known ones...
I f you would speak about being allowed to use just stock plugins... I could follow... but killing any mix fx makes every DAW sound bullshit

[Kinh]

wha tha eff are you talkin' bout mate?

[Tannaliini]

That´s at the very end a nonsense thread...

"Great sounding track" and "no EQ" isn´t possible at all...
No matter what you would use there is no way in thousand years getting a track sounding decent at all without being able to restrict sounds in their frequency spectrum...

Second, I don´t get this kind of thinking at all...
As big as differences between these 2 or all other DAWs are... the lack of certain (necessary) fx would make the smallest difference from all known ones...
I f you would speak about being allowed to use just stock plugins... I could follow... but killing any mix fx makes every DAW sound bullshit

Just wanted to play with the idea of how people feel about Reason vs FL Studio as “raw”. Maybe the “great sounding” was a wrong wording - more like “sounds better Fl or Reason”

[WasteLand]

That´s at the very end a nonsense thread...

"Great sounding track" and "no EQ" isn´t possible at all...
No matter what you would use there is no way in thousand years getting a track sounding decent at all without being able to restrict sounds in their frequency spectrum...

Second, I don´t get this kind of thinking at all...
As big as differences between these 2 or all other DAWs are... the lack of certain (necessary) fx would make the smallest difference from all known ones...
I f you would speak about being allowed to use just stock plugins... I could follow... but killing any mix fx makes every DAW sound bullshit

no EQ? and not great sound? it can produce great sound. not always of course. but in my case, i only carve when really necessary. perhaps it is because 90% is my own from-scratch sounds. (i use drum kits, not always, but no libraries).

but general speaking you are right. for normal production. i tend to play with masking. (although i have stuff that is specially made for chirurgical sound scuplting, ánd unmasking, not the great names by the way or not that known..). i like it, it makes things dynamical. but of course, my goals are different, my music is different, and yes, tend to make the sounds, and adjust them, sometimes, without eq, that are in a certain frequency spectrum. but most of the times they are all over the place, and it can work great.

i have more than one eq, many different ones, dynamic, linear, vintage etc. i use them, but for carving? less.

but it certainly the way for a lot of music to sound good.

no criticism, but there are no rules, yes there a basic rules. i use them, but brake them when necessary. i do gain staging, i do look at eq curves. but more: i listen how it works.

i have project, not finished, vocals must be added. there is a lot of masking, i wanted to unmask the thing, so all synths (9) could present themselve as best. strangely unmasking didn't make the song better. but; disclaimer; it works for my kind of style.

i use less effects, o not true, on the latest project, but mainly for sounddesign, not for mix per se.
but if you do sounddesign in the project itself, you automatically "mix".

and i have it all, several DAW's, an extensive mastering (and audio editing) suite with spectral extra's... two mastering suites... not the most used ones... and i know what it can do.

a sound can be great without mastering. but the mix must be good. i master in the mix. the mastering suites i only use for levelling...

one time someone wanted a badly produced number by me, in coorperation, to make it better, but the rules he followed, although i learned from it, aren't the rules i can follow, as i said, i know them use them, but most of the times break them. but still, i shall deny, i know that sounds must be "placed".

when you need an eq on the master, the mix is wrong.. also a too general remark. sometimes, in use an eq on the master, but only on a few tracks.

but there are different ways to approach a mix/master. i do not say that one is wrong and one is right. i only wanted to state, that there are several approaches. and yes my first tracks maybe produced not at top level, but still they sound good, i can hear the differences between later tracks, strangely i used more effects, like compressor and eq's for the mix. the last years, even when people do not like the style, the acknowledge that the production is "perfect" (as can be for a bedroom producer, o well, i have a real home studio, that is also a library of books... very good for clean vocals...). perfect for lack of better word, in balance with the sound and the energy, in balance with the affect...

[highkoo]

So, which has better stock sounds and stock presets...?

[xbitz]

Just out of curiosity:
Which one (Reason/FL Studio) would YOU use if you could NOT use any mastering effects (no EQ, no Compression...)? Only the sounds/synths & maybe reverb & delay - nothing else?

Or is there any difference when not using time on the final mastering?

Reason, of course! FL sucks in terms of workflow (for me!) and you can get great sounding stuff by just arranging and sculpting the sounds properly at track/bus level.

the biggest advantages of FL is the scale highlight of its piano-roll (I'm using as a scratchpad in Bitwig in plugin version) can u see

don't have to keep in mind where are the different fifth/third/octave etc. intervals etc.) everything is clearly visible it makes the composing much easier ( good for counterpointing, counter-melodies etc. too) I also don't like the workflow of FL but as a scratchpad it's brilliant (till u use its channel rack only)

[antic604]

the biggest advantages of FL is the scale highlight of its piano-roll (I'm using as a scratchpad in Bitwig in plugin version) can u see

"Advantage" for those that need it. Many don't.

[jens]

"Great sounding track" and "no EQ" isn´t possible at all...

Sory, bit that is total nonsense - it all depends on what you start out with. If you record a great signal, there is often no need for EQing it. WIth an electric guitar for instance this depends on the PUs, yout setting, your recording-chain, etc. - and last but not least your own recording skills. And the same basically goes for virtual instruments. Before putting EQ on everything try fixing the source directly. And of course the arrangement plays a huge roles too. EQs are for correction and not everything requires that.

[jens]

the biggest advantages of FL is the scale highlight of its piano-roll

*lol*

[an-electric-heart]

Oh lord... is this "FL has a bad sound engine" again?... I really thought we were beyond this.

[EnGee]

So, which has better stock sounds and stock presets...?

IMO FL Studio. Its samples and plugins (Gol's ones especially) have a bigger sound.

Maybe Reason is more suitable for European dance style while FL Studio for deep hip hop beats? I don't know! In the back of my mind I have this image, so it affects me.

I'm not trolling! I have both and love both! I think Bitwig sit in the middle with its devices sound but for workflow, Bitwig and Reason are the champions for me while FL Studio I struggle to put some patterns together (not FL Studio fault though, it is me that I can't wrap my brain around it I wish I could as it can make deep dark beats easily I don't know what I'm talking! ).

[EnGee]

Just out of curiosity:
Which one (Reason/FL Studio) would YOU use if you could NOT use any mastering effects (no EQ, no Compression...)? Only the sounds/synths & maybe reverb & delay - nothing else?

Or is there any difference when not using time on the final mastering?

Reason, of course! FL sucks in terms of workflow (for me!) and you can get great sounding stuff by just arranging and sculpting the sounds properly at track/bus level.

the biggest advantages of FL is the scale highlight of its piano-roll (I'm using as a scratchpad in Bitwig in plugin version) can u see

don't have to keep in mind where are the different fifth/third/octave etc. intervals etc.) everything is clearly visible it makes the composing much easier ( good for counterpointing, counter-melodies etc. too) I also don't like the workflow of FL but as a scratchpad it's brilliant (till u use its channel rack only)

Yes! My current effort is to make this workflow!! FL Studio inside Bitwig! Now, add some midi from Reason 11 and your mind will blow up!

[THE INTRANCER]

I think many people actually misunderstand what the term mastering actually is...