NI have announced they will no longer activate discontinued products

[EvilDragon]

Well, it works here and on many other W10 computers. It is not officially supported by NI because Kore got discontinued before W10, but it does work on it. Just like many other things that worked on W7 work just fine in W10...

As I said, I vaguely remember running the installer in W7 compatibility mode and it just worked, Kore 2 driver and all.

[te1973]

Dear all,

also have to post here how I angry I am on NI.
Either release a last version without the need to be activated or keep a simple cloud machine working for activation.
I am heavily invested in NI, now they don't get any more money from me.
I fear that this will also happen to my current versions.

As long as companies behave like this think twice before you buy something that has to be activated.
For me this did not happen for the first time.
NI: Either change your behaviour or I am out.

Regards, T.

[Aloysius]

Here is the list of discontinued products:

Absynth 2 Native Instruments 2003
Absynth 3 Native Instruments 2005
Absynth Sounds Volume 1 Native Instruments 2003
AC-Box Combo Native Instruments 2005
Akoustik Piano (before 1.1.0) Native Instruments 2007
B4 Native Instruments 2000
B4 II Native Instruments 2005
Bandstand Native Instruments 2005
Battery Native Instruments 2001
Battery 2 Native Instruments 2004
Battery Studio Drums Native Instruments 2004
Electronic Instruments 2 XT Native Instruments 2005
Elektrik Piano (before 1.5) Native Instruments 2004
FM7 Native Instruments 2002
Guitar Combos Native Instruments 2005
Guitar Rig Native Instruments 2004
Guitar Rig 2 Native Instruments 2005
Intakt Native Instruments 2003
Kompakt Native Instruments 2002
Kompakt Sony ACID Pro Native Instruments 2006
Komplete 2 Native Instruments 2004
Kontakt 1.0 Native Instruments 2002
Kontakt 2 Native Instruments 2005
NI Essentials Native Instruments 2005
NI Spectral Delay Native Instruments 2001
Plex Combo Native Instruments 2005
Pro-52 Native Instruments 2001
Pro-53 Native Instruments 2003
Reaktor 2.3 Native Instruments 2000
Reaktor 3 Native Instruments 2002
Reaktor 4 Native Instruments 2003
Reaktor 5 (before 5.1.5.0) Native Instruments 2005
Reaktor Electronic Instruments Native Instruments 2003
Reaktor Electronic Instruments 2 Native Instruments 2004
Reaktor Session Native Instruments 2003
Studio Collection Native Instruments 2001
Traktor DJ (from 2000) Native Instruments 2000
Traktor DJ Studio 1 Native Instruments 2000
Traktor DJ Studio 2 Native Instruments 2002
Traktor DJ Studio 3 Native Instruments 2005
Traktor FS 1.5 Native Instruments 2003
Traktor FS 2 Native Instruments 2005
Traktor Hercules Native Instruments 2005
Twang Combo Native Instruments 2005
Vokator Native Instruments 2003

Boesendorfer290 East West
Colossus East West
EWQLSO Gold Ed East West
EWQLSO Gold Ed Pro XP East West
EWQLSO Silver Ed East West
EWQLSOSilver Ed Pro XP East West
Hardcore Bass East West
Hardcore Bass XP East West
Percussive Adventures East West
PSP Adrenaline East West
PSP Drumkit From Hell 2 East West
PSP Percussive Adventures 2 LE East West
PSP Stormbreaks East West
PSP Vapor East West
Ra East West
SO Brass East West
SO Brass Pro XP East West
SO Percussion East West
SO Percussion Pro XP East West
SO Strings East West
SO Strings Pro XP East West
SO Woodwinds East West
SO Woodwinds Pro XP East West
Stormdrum East West
Stormdrum Intakt East West
Symphonic Choirs East West

Artist Drums Best Service
Artist Grooves Best Service
Chris Hein Horns Best Service
Classical Collection Best Service
Cult Sampler Best Service
Ethno World 3 Complete Best Service
Galaxy Steinway Best Service
Galaxy Steinway 5.1 Best Service
Latin World Best Service
Orient World Best Service
String Essentials Best Service

Altered States Zero-G
Analogue Sequencer Loops Zero-G
Beats Working in Cuba Zero-G
Morhology Zero-G
Nostalgia Zero-G
Outer Limits Zero-G
PSP Afrolatin Slam Zero G
PSP Koncept & Function Zero-G
PSP Nu Jointz Zero-G
PSP Vol 7 The Operating Table Zero-G
PSP Wired - The Elements of Trance Zero-G
Sounds of the 70s Zero-G
Sounds of Polynesia Zero-G
Vocal Forge Zero-G

Celtic Instruments Big Fish Audio
First Call Horns Big Fish Audio
London Solo Strings Big Fish Audio
Raging Guitars Big Fish Audio

Garritan Jazz Garritan
Garritan Personal Orchestra Garritan

Vitual Grand Piano Art Vista
CM Session Computer Music
Future Loops Future Music
Virtual Drumline 2 Tap Space

[clipnotic]

East West stuff, too?? It seems they want expel their "1st class costumers", too.

[fmr]

East West stuff, too?? It seems they want expel their "1st class costumers", too.

East West ceased to be NI customer a long time ago They have their own player now.

Garritan too (now works with Aria Player, which is based in the Plogue engine).

[nordickvr]

Here is the list of discontinued products:

Absynth 2 Native Instruments 2003
Absynth 3 Native Instruments 2005
Absynth Sounds Volume 1 Native Instruments 2003

etc, etc, etc...

Virtual Grand Piano Art Vista
CM Session Computer Music
Future Loops Future Music
Virtual Drumline 2 Tap Space

And you’re absolutely sure that you didn’t forget anything?

[toonertik]

Here is the list of discontinued products:

Absynth 2 Native Instruments 2003
...
...
Virtual Drumline 2 Tap Space

How dare they...
what scandalous mischievous company would discontinue a product from 2003...

OMG..Absynth 2 that's ermmm

16/17 years (depending upon month).

Well researched my friend...

but I am sure there are more discontinued products..

I have a Pifco massager from about 1973...

you know what.
It's been discontinued...

[highkoo]

Who wants all those old sounds anyway?

[digitalboytn]

But I am sure that the main difference between that Pifco massager and these NI products is in the implied warranty and the licensing agreement...

NI stated quite clearly in the EULA,that they would guarantee the end user continued access to the product in the event of NI not being able to maintain it...

That's the rather small clause that is stopping NI in their tracks here...

Small,but rather consequential...

The language that dictates the true extent of any legal agreement can be rather powerful and quite interesting

[machinesworking]

I'm not shifting the narrative, as I said I was just laying out the facts. There's a difference.

Not really. It's whataboutism and straw man when you have an admitted bias.

We are talking about NI abandoning older software authorizations here, it's a slash and burn policy, regardless of the reasons. This is of course an Apple issue as well, regardless of their reasons (and they surprise surprise! often use 'security' as a reason for it ), regardless of NI's reasons it's classic straw man. Kore working on Windows has little to do with a policy NI seem to have of abandoning software that isn't making them money. It doesn't matter if it's a "fact" the point is to paint NI as just like the rest, and push blame to Apple. Soviet era whataboutism coupled with straw man.

You're smarter than this level of blame shifting.

[PAK]

OMG..Absynth 2 that's ermmm16/17 years (depending upon month).

I have a Pifco massager from about 1973... you know what. It's been discontinued...

Except nobody complained about anything being "discontinued". The complaint was there's no way to activate what you paid for. It's purely about the copy protection, and using things independent of NI's online servers. That's a very different thing.

Also, FYI, that software may be old, but much of it still works just fine - right up until the very latest Windows 10. Oh, and news flash - much of it can even be made to work on Mac OS right up until before they moved to Catalina. (My experiences of running old NI software is actually BETTER on the Mac side than Windows, due to how crappy most Bit Bridges are!)

So, even though it may be "old", its completely viable both on the latest operating systems and DAW software. Some of it is unique. Some of it you might not see any reason to use, but that doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons for many people..

[Biome_Digital]

On the NI forum they have said they have heard all the feedback and are looking into a different way to do this. That's got to be a positive??

[PAK]

On the NI forum they have said they have heard all the feedback and are looking into a different way to do this. That's got to be a positive??

In terms of a customer friendly response, yes. The question is WHY you think NI had a change of heart..

1) Out of the goodness of their heart because, after reading all of your wonderful feedback, they understand they were wrong..
2) Because different versions of their EULA made specific legal commitments NOT to do this exact thing, thereby placing them in a position where they may be forced to reverse their actions by law.

The good news is nobody has to guess if it's 1 or 2. You will know it's number 2 if they fail to place the equivalent consumer protections back into their present EULA.

I doubt they care. They're likely getting ready to launch Native Cloud and move to a rental model anyway. Which, btw, I hope I'm wrong about.

[digitalboytn]

It would have to definitely be # 1

Their newer EULAs are a little less generous than the older ones,so they have nothing to worry about there...

Native Cloud

[PAK]

It would have to definitely be # 1

Let's hope so. There are / were good people at NI, and hopefully not all of them are yet EMH's bitch..