Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

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tapper mike
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5359 posts since 20 Jan, 2008

Post Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:25 am

NatLife wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:10 pm


I have one Digital Hardware - Korg Krome. It's sounds fantastik, just not like all the software, different.

So to I.

Have you been to Krome Heaven?
https://kromeheaven.com/

Many soundpacks for your krome, Almost all free
Krome is a workstation rompler. All the sounds are sampled including the synth sounds which is less flexible then other means or synthesis.

NatLife
KVRian
659 posts since 12 Jul, 2004

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:16 am

tapper mike wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:25 am
NatLife wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:10 pm


I have one Digital Hardware - Korg Krome. It's sounds fantastik, just not like all the software, different.

So to I.

Have you been to Krome Heaven?
https://kromeheaven.com/

Many soundpacks for your krome, Almost all free
Krome is a workstation rompler. All the sounds are sampled including the synth sounds which is less flexible then other means or synthesis.
hmm...actually i didnt found alot of good soundpacks for Krome, so i made my own. And you can find it on KromeHeaven too btw, also some free sounds. But as you know most interesting sounds included only in commercial version of bank.
VST & Hardware presets, FL Studio templates, samples and MIDI from NatLife & friends -www.natlifesounds.com

Tino Fiumara
KVRist
46 posts since 18 Feb, 2020

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:24 pm

vurt wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:03 am
its a couple of months away from even behringer being beyond most peoples reach, may as well grab what we can before money dies!
I'm not going to buy anything for now, I'm just gathering information, that's it.

numbetical
KVRer
7 posts since 29 Feb, 2020

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:44 am

The answer to the question depends on your workflow preferences. I’d go with a software synth and get a midi controller if I could do it over.

If you’re not much of a sound designer, a hardware synth will have plenty of flexibility to be explored.

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chaosWyrM
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1932 posts since 29 Apr, 2010 from NYC

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:29 am

roman.i wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:24 pm
This is a wrong way to think about synthesizers. You should choose the right synthesizer for the genre you're producing. Your potential listener doesn't care if you're using a hardware or a software synthesizer. Every synth has it's own tone/flavor, try to get as close as you can to the top producers sound.
i think THAT is the wrong way to think about synthesizers

1. there is no such thing as "the right synthesizer for the genre youre producing". every genres "sound" came about by the creators of that genre just using what they had available to them. you can make any kind of genre from any synth. what you should do, is get a synth you like, that inspires you, and that you will enjoy using. dont chase after a specific sound.

2. dont "try to get as close to the top producers sound"...that doesnt even make sense. how is anyone supposed to even know how to do that? no...get as close to the sound you want to make as you can. and when at first its not quite right...make adjustments until it is.

its ok to emulate artists you like to try to figure out how they do what they do...but you wont get very far if you just try to copy others.


now...on to your actual question. it sounds to me (and i may be wrong) that for you...there wouldnt really be much advantage in getting a digital hw synth. whichever one you might get...you could save yourself a boatload of $$ and space by using software, and the home studio integration would be far simpler and more immediate. sure, not all digital hw synths have a software counterpart...but really...theres no synth out there (that you might actually get yourself) that is so over the top unique and great that you cant find a suitable substitute in software. (this includes analogue synths...but sshhhhh people get mad when you say that).

you dont really mention what you want from a hw synth, so its not easy to really offer recommendations. the bottom line is....you can get nearly any sound you want from software synths, at a fraction of the cost and literally no physical space at all.....if what you want is the tactile experience of using hardware....you can get nice controllers.

im not trying to dissuade you from hw...not at all...i love the few that i have. im just saying...take the time to figure out what you really want/need from a hw synth that you miss in software....then take it from there.

for what its worth....as much as i do love my hw synths...the difference in ease of use for software is just so drastic...that i hardly ever use my hw synths. the only time is if im trying to get a very specific sound that i know one of my hw synths does well. which means most of the time the only one i use is the neutron.

these are all my own personal opinions and thoughts...ymmv.
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roman.i
KVRist
254 posts since 25 Aug, 2019

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:05 am

chaosWyrM wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:29 am

there is no such thing as "the right synthesizer for the genre youre producing". every genres "sound" came about by the creators of that genre just using what they had available to them. you can make any kind of genre from any synth. what you should do, is get a synth you like, that inspires you, and that you will enjoy using. dont chase after a specific sound.
Your sentences clash into themselves, don't you see that?
I hope if you read this again, you will see that it doesn't make any sense.
A specific synthesizer is one of the attributes of a genre.
Creators of the genre were using a specific audio processors and synthesizers,
so these define the sound of this genre. You can't just take any random synthesizer you like and make any genre using it, simply because it just won't sound like the genre, and won't fit the sound.
This is so obvious.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
65350 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:13 am

roman.i wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:05 am
chaosWyrM wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:29 am

there is no such thing as "the right synthesizer for the genre youre producing". every genres "sound" came about by the creators of that genre just using what they had available to them. you can make any kind of genre from any synth. what you should do, is get a synth you like, that inspires you, and that you will enjoy using. dont chase after a specific sound.
Your sentences clash into themselves, don't you see that?
I hope if you read this again, you will see that it doesn't make any sense.
A specific synthesizer is one of the attributes of a genre.
Creators of the genre were using a specific audio processors and synthesizers,
so these define the sound of this genre. You can't just take any random synthesizer you like and make any genre using it, simply because it just won't sound like the genre, and won't fit the sound.
This is so obvious.
aside from a few modern edm genres, which genres are defined by a single synth model?

roman.i
KVRist
254 posts since 25 Aug, 2019

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:41 am

vurt wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:13 am
aside from a few modern edm genres, which genres are defined by a single synth model?
Don't know what EDM or the modern EDM is.
I'm talking about electronic music of any time, take any genre for an example and you'll hear a specific type of sound which can be created with few synths, but not with any random synth.

Passing Bye
KVRAF
1508 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:43 am

roman.i wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:41 am
vurt wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:13 am
aside from a few modern edm genres, which genres are defined by a single synth model?
Don't know what EDM or the modern EDM is.
I'm talking about electronic music of any time, take any genre for an example and you'll hear a specific type of sound which can be created with few synths, but not with any random synth.
So you can't make Vangelis like music without CS80?

eivind
KVRist
52 posts since 7 Dec, 2002

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm

They are both great.

However - hardware synths may last you a lifetime, and your very nice software synth may end up unsupported by future OS developments, end of life and the general speed of computer tech development. Spending time on learning how to get the best out of your instrument, master it fully, only to see it vanish down that drain is a drag. My Yamaha TX816 paired with my DMP11 digital mixer can still compete with many of the best software digital synths. It was made before the www.
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chaosWyrM
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1932 posts since 29 Apr, 2010 from NYC

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:16 pm

roman.i wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:05 am
You can't just take any random synthesizer you like and make any genre using it, simply because it just won't sound like the genre, and won't fit the sound.
This is so obvious.
but...you can literally do exactly that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSa1iSo1AII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHrYqHV1mT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCjA_l93NQA
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solar28
KVRist
50 posts since 8 Apr, 2005

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:22 pm

I think digital hardware synths sound 20% better than software synths.

goldenanalog
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1973 posts since 7 Dec, 2005 from somewhere between analog and digital

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:54 am

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tapper mike
KVRAF
5359 posts since 20 Jan, 2008

Re: Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.

Post Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:06 pm

eivind wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm
They are both great.

However - hardware synths may last you a lifetime, and your very nice software synth may end up unsupported by future OS developments, end of life and the general speed of computer tech development. Spending time on learning how to get the best out of your instrument, master it fully, only to see it vanish down that drain is a drag. My Yamaha TX816 paired with my DMP11 digital mixer can still compete with many of the best software digital synths. It was made before the www.
Hardware breaks, Parts are hard to come by. Repair technicians are becoming even harder to find than replacement parts.

With regards to OS. Should have got a pc. I've got software titles dating back to Y2K which ran on windows 98 that still run on windows 10. I rarely run them. There are better products now.

My father was an avid reader. He would spend his disposable income on book. He had a vast personal library. It was impressive to look through his collection. In later years he simply ran out of room for physical books. He bought a kindle and spent considerably less for the same volume of books purchased.

There are a few key principles at work here.

Disposable income is what money you have left over to spend on non-essential things. It's money you can throw away. If you can't afford to throw money away on hardware or software... Don't. Get of the consumerism train of thought that says you have to buy something to feel good about yourself. I know people who have buried themselves in debt are frustrated trying to figure out how to pay it off and the act of buying other stuff they don't need is their only escape valve...which continues the cycle.

So lets move on to the physical vs the virtual. I love physical things specifically guitars. While I'll never be convinced that a virtual guitar can replace an actual one. I have guitars I rarely play. This would make sense in 1985 when I was a paid session musician and showing the cool guitar off to a producer might make him more inclined to hire me for paid session work. It did. It doesn't anymore. As well I have guitars that I don't play regularly. Like in a few months. If you want furnishings to fill up your place it may be prudent to invest in something other than a synth. Synths, guitars. Not really chick bait also when if/when you have kids you'll quickly be reminded of why you can't have nice things.


Finally ask yourself one question before you buy your next hardware or virtual instrument. What have I done recently with the products I already own? And remembering that sometimes the wanting is more pleasurable than the having.

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