KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:34 pm

apoclypse wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:27 pm Yeah. S1 version 1 was very young and had a lot of issues. If you want to see how the application has improved you need the latest version. Why not compare Reaper version 1 and S1 version 1 instead.

Even possible when you don't own a V1 license. AFAIK, version 0.99 of Reaper is freeware.

https://www.reaper.fm/download-old.php?ver=0x

If you feel masochis... um... I mean... nostalgic.

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:51 pm

hivkorn wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:56 pm due to covid i am not able to use my main config (cubase 10 + Imac...) so i bring back my macbook from 2006 and give a try to reaper 6 and studio one V1 ( i own a sleeping licence...).i have installed minimonsta, imposcar and oddity + togu audioline 32 bit freeware.
first i try to use S1 , i was hell, cpu spike, crash, freeze...okay time to try reaper.
oh boy ! no more spike ! no more lag ! no more lag ! no more crash ! i begin to ask to myself if i will not use reaper and let down cubase... i want to know did you encounter crash or something else using reaper under a 64 bit os ? (under osx)
( i really consider to buy it)

Rock solid on El Capitan.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:34 pm

hivkorn wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:55 pm i can tell you S1 under osx 10.6.8 on macbook dual core 2 is not the best daw..no cracked plugin, only freeware, fabfilter and refx plugin (32 bit)

Again: you are using a ten+ years old version of S1. Given Apple's habit of constantly breaking stuff and giving no f**k whatsoever regarding backwards compatibility it's a wonder that it runs AT ALL on your machine. And again: if you insist on comparing S1 V1 with Reaper, then please compare it with Reaper V1.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:39 pm

jens wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:34 pm
hivkorn wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:55 pm i can tell you S1 under osx 10.6.8 on macbook dual core 2 is not the best daw..no cracked plugin, only freeware, fabfilter and refx plugin (32 bit)
Again: you are using a ten+ years old version of S1. Given Apple's habit of constantly breaking stuff and giving no f**k whatsoever regarding backwards compatibility it's a wonder that it runs AT ALL on your machine. And again: if you insist of comparing S1 V1 with Reaper, then please compare it with Reaper V1.

i'm just comparing 2 DAW running under OSX 10.6.8 ...
I was under S1 until V3 come out and presonus support told me my Imac (stock config ! ) was the reason why S1V3 was unstable...
So at this moment , i don't have anymore respesct for presonus....

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:21 pm

hivkorn wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:39 pm
jens wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:34 pm
hivkorn wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:55 pm i can tell you S1 under osx 10.6.8 on macbook dual core 2 is not the best daw..no cracked plugin, only freeware, fabfilter and refx plugin (32 bit)
Again: you are using a ten+ years old version of S1. Given Apple's habit of constantly breaking stuff and giving no f**k whatsoever regarding backwards compatibility it's a wonder that it runs AT ALL on your machine. And again: if you insist of comparing S1 V1 with Reaper, then please compare it with Reaper V1.
i'm just comparing 2 DAW running under OSX 10.6.8 ...
I was under S1 until V3 come out and presonus support told me my Imac (stock config ! ) was the reason why S1V3 was unstable...
So at this moment , i don't have anymore respesct for presonus....

Presonus support is awfull, I had a bad user experience with 2 brand new audio interfaces. Even the shop owner who sell me the interfaces was amazed by Presonus reply and I agreed to reimburse me this 2 shitty interfaces.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:45 pm

yep awfull support and no way to talk with support, i remind their main response was : " our daw dont work because of your mac, contact apple...l

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:26 pm

hivkorn wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:19 pm
ralfrobert wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:01 pm Reaper is damn stable. Hardly no crashes within the last 2 years.
temptation is now very very heavy...

Reaper hasn't crashed on me a single time, after I started to run vsts in a dedicated process

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:40 pm

the universe should just admit it... reaper is ultrasupermega supreme.

reaper can do unusual things... like import 20,000+ midi files. and it wasn't even designed for that.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:45 pm

I recently switched to Reaper full-time. Used Sonar, then Studio One, then Cubase, and now I'm happier than I've ever been with Reaper.

It took a LOT of time to get it setup entirely to my liking, with tons of preferences, modifiers, key commands, toolbar tweaks...and there are still some things that are a little clunky or having me using third-party scripts and plugins here and there, but in Reaper, there's always a way. For instance, Cubase is terrible for third-party controller support, Studio One is pretty good at it, with the Reaper CSI plugin, I've got all my surfaces setup and mapped to effects in a way that goes beyond either DAW. I've got my own custom toolbars and mouse modifiers setup so everything just works the way I want it to. If I ever hit a wall, there's always a Kenny video or a Reaperblog video to show me how to do what I need.

And performance/stability is top notch. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the occasional stuck notes.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:08 pm

yep guy , i officialy switched to Reaper , now it will take time to set my preference but now i will make music more then maintenance !

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:13 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:45 pm
And performance/stability is top notch. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the occasional stuck notes.

I used to have that problem too. I solved it by switching from the "wave out" audio system to the "generic low latency asio driver".

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:23 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:45 pm I recently switched to Reaper full-time. Used Sonar, then Studio One, then Cubase, and now I'm happier than I've ever been with Reaper.

It took a LOT of time to get it setup entirely to my liking, with tons of preferences, modifiers, key commands, toolbar tweaks...and there are still some things that are a little clunky or having me using third-party scripts and plugins here and there, but in Reaper, there's always a way. For instance, Cubase is terrible for third-party controller support, Studio One is pretty good at it, with the Reaper CSI plugin, I've got all my surfaces setup and mapped to effects in a way that goes beyond either DAW. I've got my own custom toolbars and mouse modifiers setup so everything just works the way I want it to. If I ever hit a wall, there's always a Kenny video or a Reaperblog video to show me how to do what I need.

And performance/stability is top notch. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the occasional stuck notes.

I can tell you this, that you will arrive back at Studio One, I'll guarantee it...

You can cobble together a bed with odd nuts and bolts, but it's no substitute for a professionally built new one...oh and that's coming pretty soon...

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:56 pm

THE INTRANCER wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:23 pm I can tell you this, that you will arrive back at Studio One, I'll guarantee it... You can cobble together a bed with odd nuts and bolts, but it's no substitute for a professionally built new one...oh and that's coming pretty soon...

It's great that you love Studio One but it comes across as patronizing when you direct comments like this to other people. I've been using DAWs for probably about 21 years at this point. I know what I like, how I like things to work, and what I don't like.

And I like a LOT about Studio One. The drag and drop workflow is well implemented, audio editing is great, Control Link is nice...but I really hope they get it together on the MIDI side of the house because that's what sent me off to Cubase in the first place. But both S1 and Cubase suck when it comes to performance, and S1 does a lot of other stuff poorly IMO (MIDI is in the stone age, their "green Z" low latency mode not working with plugins that don't support VST automation, no track templates for audio, etc.). If you don't run into those roadblocks, good for you.

I can tell you this...I may upgrade my Studio One license, as sometimes I do like to keep a few DAWs on my system for plugin testing, or just taking advantage of some of the better features of other DAWs for certain workflows. But now that I've "got it," I've built up a great workflow in Reaper and find that it is the fewest weaknesses of any DAW I've ever used, and the most strengths. No DAW is perfect, but for me, Reaper's got the fewest weaknesses. Maybe Studio One 5 will address my big complaints, and be the most amazing thing ever. Maybe you know stuff I don't on that topic. But out of everything available today, it's Reaper for me. If that changes in the future...that's ok. DAWs are not religion.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:26 pm

hivkorn wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:08 pm yep guy , i officialy switched to Reaper , now it will take time to set my preference but now i will make music more then maintenance !

Now you just need to switch over to Windows and you'll be set

I have a few friends who still use that fruity OS and I can't believe how many times they have to upgrade their whole machine,or leave some good software and hardware behind,just because Apple decides to break compatibility...

No wonder Apple are such a profitable company

When we build a DAW,we really just need a system that is going to perform certain tasks as efficiently as possible,so all of that disruption caused by Apple is a real PITA...

Windows 10 is not much different,but Win 7 x64 is a dream run

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:32 pm

digitalboytn wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:26 pm Windows 10 is not much different

Not really, but, hey...

I'm also not sure why you think Mac OS is distracting, but, I surely won't argue about it. If you feel so, you feel so.

Reaper V6.... oh boy !