Massive X 1.2 is out

[recursive one]

I get what you mean. Indeed, when I try to program something specific I often end up with something entirely different than I expected, often quite weird and indeed not always actually useable. It does tend to gravitate to "sci fi weirdness" but since 80% sounds I use in my music is various sci fi weirndess I'm fine with that.

On the other hand, if programmed like a normal synth it makes normal sounds. For basic VA sounds, hypersaws and such it's quite good.

[chk071]

I'm much more familiar with Virus TI than Massive X myself (I have owned my Virus for few years and used it a lot) but I think there are some similarities in feature set and overall sound aesthetics. Hard to say where this impression actually comes from, there are other synths that can emulate some specific Virus patches much closer (Viper, obviously, also Spire, Sylenth, Rapid). But the whole package, where you can quickly go from bread and butter VA patches to all kinds of sci-fi weirdness, big, fat and very hi fi sound.

Yeah, I think it has a "massive" sweet spot.

[mholloway]

The Asimov is rather "proudly digital", in the sense that the resonance level doesn't get anywhere near the others.

I don't think Asimov was intended to be 'proudly digital' at all....is that just your label, or are you quoting from somewhere else?

Here's how the manual describes Asimov:
"This low-pass filter is based on the paradigm of the filter found in a classic bass synthesizer from the 80s, despite not being a direct clone. Its defining characteristic is the lack of self-oscillation, providing a huge sweet-spot for resonant filter sounds. Additionally, it adds high-pass filtering in the feedback path for a controlled bass response. The filter has a squelchy sound that makes it suitable for acid bass lines and works well with distortion."

I can't square that with "proudly digital"....

[chk071]

Yeah, that was pretty much my label. I didn't know that it's suppose to model the TB-303 filter (if I understand that correctly). What I was saying is that it doesn't reach the resonance levels the other low pass filters do.

[v1o]

When put into context, i always realise that it's always about how you use your tools and not about the quality of the tools. Will the quality of the filter or oscillator really make a difference in your production? Probably not to be honest.

I think both are important. Both the quality of the tools you use and how you actually use them. Omnisphere, Serum and Sylneth1 are actually all quality tools. I am glad you didn't mention any shovelware synthedit plugin synths being used by major artists, because then I would have been genuinely surprised.

[v1o]

I don't get the Virus TI comparisons. Massive X sounds nothing like those synths. All the synths made by Mike Daliot are quite distinct to my ears. You should check out his other work like Carbon, Photone, Lazerbass and the original Massive. They are all quite unique.

[chk071]

When put into context, i always realise that it's always about how you use your tools and not about the quality of the tools. Will the quality of the filter or oscillator really make a difference in your production? Probably not to be honest.

I think both are important. Both the quality of the tools you use and how you actually use them.

Yep. A craftsman doesn't use a hammer which almost falls apart either.

[BBFG#]

When put into context, i always realise that it's always about how you use your tools and not about the quality of the tools. Will the quality of the filter or oscillator really make a difference in your production? Probably not to be honest.

I think both are important. Both the quality of the tools you use and how you actually use them.

Yep. A craftsman doesn't use a hammer which almost falls apart either.

Sure we do. But not necessarily for its original design.

Does remind me of a joke we used to tell on the worksites though.

"Best damned hammer I've ever owned. Only had to replace the head twice and the handle three times!"

[Winstontaneous]

When put into context, i always realise that it's always about how you use your tools and not about the quality of the tools. Will the quality of the filter or oscillator really make a difference in your production? Probably not to be honest.

I think both are important. Both the quality of the tools you use and how you actually use them.

Yep. A craftsman doesn't use a hammer which almost falls apart either.

Since there are entire electronic music genres (which shall remain nameless) that rely on "stupid filter tricks" (j/k) - the quality matters!

[nirm123]

is there a way to open a support case for NI software ? I can only see an option to add a topic in the forum which I did 4 months ago and still didn't get a relevant answer and my last posts were ignored.

[Hink]

When put into context, i always realise that it's always about how you use your tools and not about the quality of the tools. Will the quality of the filter or oscillator really make a difference in your production? Probably not to be honest.

I think both are important. Both the quality of the tools you use and how you actually use them.

Yep. A craftsman doesn't use a hammer which almost falls apart either.

Sure we do. But not necessarily for its original design.

Does remind me of a joke we used to tell on the worksites though.

"Best damned hammer I've ever owned. Only had to replace the head twice and the handle three times!"

my dad like to quip that we had George Washington's ax, but it's had several new heads and handles...thanx for the memory

[focusrite]

When put into context, i always realise that it's always about how you use your tools and not about the quality of the tools. Will the quality of the filter or oscillator really make a difference in your production? Probably not to be honest.

I think both are important. Both the quality of the tools you use and how you actually use them.

Yep. A craftsman doesn't use a hammer which almost falls apart either.

Sure we do. But not necessarily for its original design.

Does remind me of a joke we used to tell on the worksites though.

"Best damned hammer I've ever owned. Only had to replace the head twice and the handle three times!"

my dad like to quip that we had George Washington's ax, but it's had several new heads and handles...thanx for the memory

[zerocrossing]

I don't get the Virus TI comparisons. Massive X sounds nothing like those synths. All the synths made by Mike Daliot are quite distinct to my ears. You should check out his other work like Carbon, Photone, Lazerbass and the original Massive. They are all quite unique.

Yeah, I don’t get that either. The Virus C was a centerpiece of my studio for a long time. I loved that thing. I replaced it with plugins, but nothing that really sounded exactly like it, but equally good, IMO. Sometimes better. I’m not a big supersaw guy, but I’d rather use Diva with it’s JP oscillators and analog filter models. Zebra HZ was better still. I love that kind of hybrid sound.

A couple of years ago I got it into my head that I should add a Snow for that Virus sound... and I was disappointed. I spent a few weeks making new patches on it, and I didn’t really feel like I loved anything I made. I went back to Dune (v2 at that time) and I instantly liked the character more. Later, Dune 3 came along and really stepped up the overall quality and with those analog filter models, gave me that virtual hybrid thing that I really like. The Snow went out the window long before Massive X came out, but there was nothing about Massive X that made me think of it, other than it’s a wavetable/VA synth with built in effects.

I think a lot of time people attribute their own patch programming style as a characteristic of an instrument. Sure, there are some aspects of synths that overlap, but a lot of the time the basic character is different. Whenever I demo a synth I tend to try out the same “template” presets that I sort of have constructed over time. Sometimes I can get things to sound very similar to things I have, sometimes not, but the times when I can’t get the sound the same is when it is the most interesting, especially when what I end up with sounds great but not very similar.

[nirm123]

I see that my post resumed the thread but unfortunately to replying to previous messages posted a few weeks ago

So in order to my message not to get lost (and as I believe it may be relevant to other people) any way to open a support case for NI software issue ? (I know about the forum, it's not always helpful).

I've now being waiting for a proper response for a few months (if it's not a possible to open a support case for software, maybe there is a support email address I can use ?)

Thanks.

[NatLife]

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