Studio One - Any basic modulation tool?

[chk071]

Sure, you never know what comes in the future. But, again, if it isn't on the developers' diet, then Studio One won't see it.

[RafaelMorgan]

Yes, those plugins can send out MIDI CC that can be mapped to VST parameters:
LFO Tool : https://xferrecords.com/products/lfo-tool
Cableguy's MIDI Shaper : https://www.cableguys.com/midishaper.html

Thanks man! That's exactly what I was looking for. It's not the same things as doing it natively and intuitively like in Bitwig, but it's good enough.

But it has better automation and transform tools than Bitwig

Yes, I'm aware of that...But it doesn't have simple, easy and creative modulation tools.

Many modulators of Bitwig can be simulated with automation...
Not the most comfortable way but it works/works better in many situations ...

That's the opposite of what I'm trying to achieve. Sometimes you just want to modulate a few parameters to make a sound more dynamic along a track, and you want to spend seconds doing it, not minutes drawing automation curves.

Automation is great, when you know exactly what you want to get AND you want it repeatable.

Modulation is great, when you're looking for inspiration, happy accidents and are experimenting, especially for generative / random stuff.

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i think this static modulation tools not usefull. sound boring when it always modulate same. in S1 you can draw sine lines (in midi editor too ) and can change later frequency in some parts or reduce or increase level of some parts maybe you like it more.

Bitwig's modulation tools are far from being just pattern based LFO tools, if that's what you mean.

It's got a bunch of random modifiers which are simply amazing, in terms of delivering surprisingly creative results.

For example, let's say you've got a pad sound in the background of a track. In seconds, you can link random modulation to some of its parameters so it never sounds exactly the same during the track. How awesome is this? Instead of having something static, you now have something that's always slightly different...In seconds, really, just a few mouse clicks....And it doesn't become a screen real-state nightmarish mess with dozens of automation lanes everywhere. It's all right there, in your face, elegantly.

This might sound obvious, but, why not just use Bitwig, or other DAW's which have better modulation capabilities than Studio One? Really, nothin' worse than a workflow which doesn't suit you.

I do a lot of recording, and Studio One is superior to Bitwig in every way in this regard. I can't fully migrate to Bitwig at least until it's got a decent comping system...

I don't miss those modulation options one bit in Studio One, TBH.

Once you get used to them, you'll certainly will miss them.

Once you learn to diligently modulate some subtle random (or not) parameters in your instruments and/or plugins (saturation, eq, compressors, etc) things can get to another level of liveliness.

As I said elsewhere, Presonus seems to be trying to straddle the gap between 'creative' and 'traditional' DAWs and distinguish themselves from Cubase (like Bitwig does vs. Live). I won't be surprised if we're gonna see some form of modulation and/or clip launching in v5 or 5.5

Yes, I feel like they're going to land in this territory eventually as well.

I just hope it doesn't become a Frankenstein DAW along the way...You know, that thing about being a Jack of all trades, master of none.

[chk071]

I understand that modulation is great, it's just the question if 1. everybody needs it, and, 2. people don't rather make use of the modulation systems in the plugins themselves. Or use automation instead.

I read many times here that people like Studio One because it's so streamlined. Adding millions of features will make it a fat bloat pig like some other DAW's. And, that's something I don't want either.

[dj projector]

Hi everyone,

Studio One is my main DAW, but I've been using Bitwig a lot lately; Its modulation capabilities are nothing short of amazing.

Unless I'm missing something, there are modulation tools in Studio One, right?

Is there any third party plugin or workaround to make some basic parameters modulation in it?

Thanks!

Studio One doesn't cater to electronic music, with mouse clicking and drawing on a grid, you will need third party plugins to help in that department. Studio One was designed from the ground up to be a linear DAW and that's what it does best.

[chk071]

I think so too.

[antic604]

Studio One was designed from the ground up to be a linear DAW and that's what it does best.

1) How do you know that?
2) There's no reason linear DAW can't have modulation or that it would be useless

[VariKusBrainZ]

Some people are too pig headed to use the tools available because theyre not to their exact liking, hence half of KVR owning 10 DAWS. Probably the same ones that melt down over bugs.

Maybe a user needs to be born with imagination and creativity to work with tools that arent customised to a users exact specifications.

Keeps the Devs in pocket money though

[VariKusBrainZ]

Studio One doesn't cater to electronic music

Shit, half it user base has bought the wornf DAW. Lucky you pointed it out.

I didnt realise the the Pattern and NoteFX were created with old school users in mind who only record audio

[apoclypse]

Hi everyone,

Studio One is my main DAW, but I've been using Bitwig a lot lately; Its modulation capabilities are nothing short of amazing.

Unless I'm missing something, there are modulation tools in Studio One, right?

Is there any third party plugin or workaround to make some basic parameters modulation in it?

Thanks!

Studio One doesn't cater to electronic music, with mouse clicking and drawing on a grid, you will need third party plugins to help in that department. Studio One was designed from the ground up to be a linear DAW and that's what it does best.

Can you elaborate on this comment.

If I'm understanding the comment correctly. S1's Piano Roll is actually pretty darn good. Is it FLStudio good maybe not, but compared to other DAWs like Bitwig, Live, even Logic, it's has a lot of features and macros you can use to make working with it even easier.

That being said I don't see why Presonus couldn't add at least some rudimentary modulation tools. Like LFO's, Envelope Followers etc. They would just have to piggy back off of the existing automation system.

[VariKusBrainZ]

That being said I don't see why Presonus couldn't add at least some rudimentary modulation tools. Like LFO's, Envelope Followers etc. They would just have to piggy back off of the existing automation system.

Perhaps add them to the Multi Instrument as its a modular view

[apoclypse]

That being said I don't see why Presonus couldn't add at least some rudimentary modulation tools. Like LFO's, Envelope Followers etc. They would just have to piggy back off of the existing automation system.

Perhaps add them to the Multi Instrument as its a modular view

That would be nice.

[antic604]

That being said I don't see why Presonus couldn't add at least some rudimentary modulation tools. Like LFO's, Envelope Followers etc. They would just have to piggy back off of the existing automation system.

Perhaps add them to the Multi Instrument as its a modular view

That would be nice.

I suspect it ends up being a Note FX (generating a CC stream that you can then "teach" VST parameters to listen to), like it is in Cubase or Logic.

[VariKusBrainZ]

That being said I don't see why Presonus couldn't add at least some rudimentary modulation tools. Like LFO's, Envelope Followers etc. They would just have to piggy back off of the existing automation system.

Perhaps add them to the Multi Instrument as its a modular view

That would be nice.

I suspect it ends up being a Note FX (generating a CC stream that you can then "teach" VST parameters to listen to), like it is in Cubase or Logic.

I suspect its never going to happen. Its pretty niche and not like its the only DAW that doesnt do it

[antic604]

That being said I don't see why Presonus couldn't add at least some rudimentary modulation tools. Like LFO's, Envelope Followers etc. They would just have to piggy back off of the existing automation system.

Perhaps add them to the Multi Instrument as its a modular view

That would be nice.

I suspect it ends up being a Note FX (generating a CC stream that you can then "teach" VST parameters to listen to), like it is in Cubase or Logic.

I suspect its never going to happen. Its pretty niche and not like its the only DAW that doesnt do it

I'm replying to your post, where you suggested they (modulators) should be added to Multi Instruments / Extended FX views.

Make up your mind

[VariKusBrainZ]

That being said I don't see why Presonus couldn't add at least some rudimentary modulation tools. Like LFO's, Envelope Followers etc. They would just have to piggy back off of the existing automation system.

Perhaps add them to the Multi Instrument as its a modular view

That would be nice.

I suspect it ends up being a Note FX (generating a CC stream that you can then "teach" VST parameters to listen to), like it is in Cubase or Logic.

I suspect its never going to happen. Its pretty niche and not like its the only DAW that doesnt do it

I'm replying to your post, where you suggested they (modulators) should be added to Multi Instruments / Extended FX views.

Make up your mind

Dude, Im not one of the Devs, Im just shooting the breeze.

I can only postulate, conjecture and masterbate.