Logic Pro X Update around the corner? (with screenshot)

[Jace-BeOS]

You would think that Logic 10.0.0 would be all retina ready by the time it took them, but it's not even now, their development is all over the place and they can get with it, they bought all the time with free updates, you look ungrateful when you don't like what you got for free, but in other hand you get whatever they can give you and whenever they can, you payed for software as it was and they only have moral obligation to make sure it works on your system, everything else is bonus, still there's decades of bugs there and you look ungrateful when you point them out or expect for them to fix those, one of those Apple things.

they're well aware its what sells macs tho.
If it weren't for logic i'm not sure i'd keep at it.

and having a competitors DAW be retina ready FIRST is just ridiculous. they had in-house info and access to prototypes to launch logic X fully retinized in 2012 with the first retina macbook.

Internal development at Apple is often siloed and secretive from other parts of Apple. Also, they act like they don’t have enough developers and artists to work on all their products at the same time, seemingly stealing time from other, less iPhoney efforts to work on things that look best for profit margins. Logic is not just low priority. It is no kind of priority. Kind of like the Mac. It’s either gonna make ALL the money, or it’s going to get none of the development resources.

[spidermix]

Makes more sense as something to include in mainstage. Or maybe something you can export to logic from mainstage. Mainstage is more geared towards live performance.

I imagine it'll eventually end up in Mainstage, also. However, it'd still make sense in Logic, as such functionality can really help in the composition process

You can defend a company that makes BILLIONS off Music sales, and still can't update it's music app all you want....EVEN with clever quotes. Some of us are sheep and just accept sub par corporate stuff...some of us are like "WTF IS GOING ON". But I appreciate you taking the time to show which side you are on!

SpiderMix...

[revvy]

nm

[Coxy]

Internal development at Apple is often siloed and secretive from other parts of Apple. Also, they act like they don’t have enough developers and artists to work on all their products at the same time, seemingly stealing time from other, less iPhoney efforts to work on things that look best for profit margins. Logic is not just low priority. It is no kind of priority. Kind of like the Mac. It’s either gonna make ALL the money, or it’s going to get none of the development resources.

What's your source for this info?

[machinesworking]

Makes more sense as something to include in mainstage. Or maybe something you can export to logic from mainstage. Mainstage is more geared towards live performance.

I imagine it'll eventually end up in Mainstage, also. However, it'd still make sense in Logic, as such functionality can really help in the composition process

You can defend a company that makes BILLIONS off Music sales, and still can't update it's music app all you want....EVEN with clever quotes. Some of us are sheep and just accept sub par corporate stuff...some of us are like "WTF IS GOING ON". But I appreciate you taking the time to show which side you are on!

SpiderMix...

This works really well as a rant if it's not obvious a bug update is coming soon.

It's pretty obvious that a substantial update is coming soon though, and like always for every DAW ever from every manufacturer ever it will have features one doesn't care about, and ones others wax poetic over. Rinse repeat. None of it has much to do with Apple owning them.

My main DAW is Digital Performer and MOTU take a long time to get new features, Reaper is hard to set up but frequently updated and run more or less like a indie rock label, with all the problems that has, Ableton chooses for you what new features you want in a way that makes Apple look like a co-op, pick your poison.

[machinesworking]

Internal development at Apple is often siloed and secretive from other parts of Apple. Also, they act like they don’t have enough developers and artists to work on all their products at the same time, seemingly stealing time from other, less iPhoney efforts to work on things that look best for profit margins. Logic is not just low priority. It is no kind of priority. Kind of like the Mac. It’s either gonna make ALL the money, or it’s going to get none of the development resources.

What's your source for this info?

Conjecture I bet. I had a good friend that was one of the higher ups in QA, he actually asked the Logic team leaders if Apple had big demands on them etc. and the answer was nope. This was ten years ago though, and I'm sure they spend a lot of time on Garageband etc. but don't think they aren't using Logic as a centerpiece. Just go to check out with any pro level apple computer and it asks if you want to bundle Logic or Final Cut into it.

I think people think money is the answer to all software issues, like since Apple uses Logic to sell hardware (which is probably not as much of a loss leader as people think), then Logic should be obviously ten times more stable, legacy issues fixed, and with more features than any DAW out there. I think it's obvious seeing Reaper do as well as it does (along with every other DAW not attached to Apple, Avid, Yamaha etc. like DP, Traction, FL Studio etc.) that it's more complex than that.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Makes more sense as something to include in mainstage. Or maybe something you can export to logic from mainstage. Mainstage is more geared towards live performance.

I imagine it'll eventually end up in Mainstage, also. However, it'd still make sense in Logic, as such functionality can really help in the composition process

You can defend a company that makes BILLIONS off Music sales, and still can't update it's music app all you want....EVEN with clever quotes. Some of us are sheep and just accept sub par corporate stuff...some of us are like "WTF IS GOING ON". But I appreciate you taking the time to show which side you are on!

SpiderMix...

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You can defend a company that makes BILLIONS off Music sales, and still can't update it's music app all you want

"Defend"??!!

Against what, or whom?

You, perhaps?

Do you imagine this is a war? If so, against whom...or what?

Oh yes....ZOMG!! THE CORPORATIONS!!

Are you attacking ZOMG!! THE CORPORATIONS!!?? by complaining that some of the Logic gui are not as pretty as the others? Perhaps it's because the company who's DAW hasn't cost a penny for six years is not giving you enough new toys to make music with.

Apple HAVE been updating Logic...with bug-fixes. Y'know...the same bug-fixes you wanted all the way back in....oh...this post:

viewtopic.php?p=7729746#p7729746

So, perhaps I'm defending Apple against your empty whining

Some of us are sheep and just accept sub par corporate stuff

ZOMG!! THE CORPORATIONS!!

I have my own gripes against Apple and also Logic. However, I am very happy with my day-to-day experience with Logic, and it feels anything but sub-par. My choice is well-informed (Been making music with computers for over 30 years, and have spent time in tons of DAW), so it's not like I'm just 'accepting' anything. You, on the other hand, are unhappy and whining about it, but yet you're still gonna 'bend the knee' when it comes to taking what Apple gives you. So who is the sheep?

Incidentally, I'm platform and OS agnostic. I might have my preferences, but really they are all just tools, to me. Despite being a Mac/Logic user since 2007, it's very likely that my next computer will be a PC desktop, running Reaper and Bitwig. Just a new set of tools for this artist; nothing more, nothing less.

If you are as anti-Apple as you seem, and if Logic is just not good enough for you, perhaps just change your tools. Simple.

some of us are like "WTF IS GOING ON".

Well, we already know some of what is going on, and it's not hard to speculate on the rest.

But I appreciate you taking the time to show which side you are on!

"Which side"? Wherever you aren't is where I'd like to be

[Cinebient]

It is more strange that people often (yes i might suffer myself sometimes) get really emotional about these things and still have to say things in every thread.
If you really find a company is the devil and hate all they do, no one force you to use it. But many people seems to are on a kind of religion war to prove other people wrong and teach them their view of the world.
Whatever. Logic, best DAW ever for me. No other DAW comes with more content but yeah, Its all just the devils masterplan

[Jace-BeOS]

Internal development at Apple is often siloed and secretive from other parts of Apple. Also, they act like they don’t have enough developers and artists to work on all their products at the same time, seemingly stealing time from other, less iPhoney efforts to work on things that look best for profit margins. Logic is not just low priority. It is no kind of priority. Kind of like the Mac. It’s either gonna make ALL the money, or it’s going to get none of the development resources.

What's your source for this info?

Years of reading articles on Apple Insider and Macrumors, including articles where current and former Apple employees are cited (usually anonymously) talking about how internal security issues at Apple result in problematic development.

Also: watching what Apple actually does in the public eye.

[Jace-BeOS]

It is more strange that people often (yes i might suffer myself sometimes) get really emotional about these things and still have to say things in every thread.
If you really find a company is the devil and hate all they do, no one force you to use it. But many people seems to are on a kind of religion war to prove other people wrong and teach them their view of the world.
Whatever. Logic, best DAW ever for me. No other DAW comes with more content but yeah, Its all just the devils masterplan

I don’t know if you’re including me in this critique, but I feel the same: Logic is the best DAW for me.

I’m just sick of Apple’s MBA-mindset leadership squandering resources and potential on existing core products, all because of the uncommon (and eventually flattening) crazy success of iPhones. I’m sick of luxury/plutocrat-style products & prices.

I’m sick of Apple diversifying into areas that have nothing to do with computing.

The company that won me over in 2007 seems mostly to not exist any more, and that’s because the people who made it the company it was back then are now gone or in different roles.

I get mad because I care.

[pdxindy]

I just want a Logic update... that allows me to select a specific controller per track... done. Anything else is gravy.

[Coxy]

Years of reading articles on Apple Insider and Macrumors, including articles where current and former Apple employees are cited (usually anonymously) talking about how internal security issues at Apple result in problematic development.

Also: watching what Apple actually does in the public eye.

Oh the media.

So you have no actual sources or citations for the specifics of what you say above, these are just your own interpretations on years of aggregated info from, the media, correct?

[masterhiggins]

I think it's obvious seeing Reaper do as well as it does (along with every other DAW not attached to Apple, Avid, Yamaha etc. like DP, Traction, FL Studio etc.) that it's more complex than that.

K now THAT is conjecture. What counts as doing well? Development goals and financial feasibility are huge factors. A lot of products seem like they’re doing well by popularity only to be discontinued shortly thereafter. FM8 and Kore were extremely popular but NI axed them. Cubase is very popular, but the frequent rate they feel compelled to charge for updates suggests that their business model consists of tiny margins (or is at least very poorly thought-out). At a consumer level we don’t have an accurate record of how well they’re really doing other than vocal proponents in forums or marketing efforts.

[apoclypse]

It is more strange that people often (yes i might suffer myself sometimes) get really emotional about these things and still have to say things in every thread.
If you really find a company is the devil and hate all they do, no one force you to use it. But many people seems to are on a kind of religion war to prove other people wrong and teach them their view of the world.
Whatever. Logic, best DAW ever for me. No other DAW comes with more content but yeah, Its all just the devils masterplan

I don’t know if you’re including me in this critique, but I feel the same: Logic is the best DAW for me.

I’m just sick of Apple’s MBA-mindset leadership squandering resources and potential on existing core products, all because of the uncommon (and eventually flattening) crazy success of iPhones. I’m sick of luxury/plutocrat-style products & prices.

I’m sick of Apple diversifying into areas that have nothing to do with computing.

The company that won me over in 2007 seems mostly to not exist any more, and that’s because the people who made it the company it was back then are now gone or in different roles.

I get mad because I care.

Can you really blame Apple though. Even when Logic was still selling at $599 or whatever it was it was not making any real money for Apple. It's not like Apple has poured resources into the application over the years. There were major changes between 6-7, then 8-9. X wasn't a home run but even you have to admit that the app has been updated on regular basis yearly sometimes even twice a year for free and some of those changes have been pretty major. What other DAW maker out there is giving free major version style updates for close to decade? Can it be better sure. I moved away from Logic myself because it was just too buggy when LPX came out and at this point I'm used to S1. But if anything Logic keeps all the DAW makers on their toes because not only is it the best bang for buck DAW on the market, every now and then Apple will throw a haymaker into the industry.

Even though Logic is no longer my main DAW, I still appreciate it being there on the macOS platform as the gold standard of DAWs for price and performance.

[Jace-BeOS]

Years of reading articles on Apple Insider and Macrumors, including articles where current and former Apple employees are cited (usually anonymously) talking about how internal security issues at Apple result in problematic development.

Also: watching what Apple actually does in the public eye.

Oh the media.

So you have no actual sources or citations for the specifics of what you say above, these are just your own interpretations on years of aggregated info from, the media, correct?

Correct.

I’ve explained where I gathered my impressions. If you don’t accept an impression based the sources I’ve mentioned, that’s fine. If you hate “the media”, you’ve got an issue I cannot help, nor do I have the inclination to try. I’m not going down this path of argumentation with you.

It’s not required to personally know Apple employees when journalists have verified their sources, especially when what they say is consistently aligned with the statements of countless other named & unnamed sources.