KVR Audio

vbrother · Post by **vbrother** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:20 am

I just updated to 1.5.5, minimal problems with the copy protection. But when I opened the plug-in, the GUI is flickering fairly rapidly and not really able to look at for more than a few minutes. Adjusting the FPS only makes it flicker faster. On Win10 Pro, I9-9900K, AMD R5-230 with latest drivers. Everything else on the system works fine - all other plug-ins working as before, just Avenger with this awful flickering. Any ideas?

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:24 am

not heard this before, however one can help you here, except Rene: keilwerth@vengeance-sound.com

Soundcity · Post by **Soundcity** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:51 pm

Can you please tell us your stance on the new Future Vocals XP.
As your EULA states,

Software Licence, Sample Licence, Rights and Restrictions
2 Under the Licence you may not and shall not, without Our express written authorization:
commercially use any compositions, melodies, melody-loops, lyrics, and vocal-samples or parts hereof from any Vengeance Samples or Audio Plugin Libraries.

Does this mean that songs made using previous vocal-samples as well as XP's that are mostly vocals ie.Future Vocals XP will be in direct violation of your EULA?

Please advise Manuel,

vbrother · Post by **vbrother** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:13 pm

msvs wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:24 am not heard this before, however one can help you here, except Rene: keilwerth@vengeance-sound.com

Thanks - I emailed him. Apparently, this is a known issue elsewhere, as some users who are running it on a Mac and within Reason were reporting the same issues a couple of months ago:

https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=7502217

Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any workarounds and I already deleted the previous factory installation in the old format (as well as the expansions), so I have no way of rolling back to the previous, stable version (for me).

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:20 pm

Soundcity wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:51 pm Can you please tell us your stance on the new Future Vocals XP.
As your EULA states,

Software Licence, Sample Licence, Rights and Restrictions
2 Under the Licence you may not and shall not, without Our express written authorization:
commercially use any compositions, melodies, melody-loops, lyrics, and vocal-samples or parts hereof from any Vengeance Samples or Audio Plugin Libraries.

Does this mean that songs made using previous vocal-samples as well as XP's that are mostly vocals ie.Future Vocals XP will be in direct violation of your EULA?

Please adivse Manuel,

Looking forward to hearing the answer to this.
rsp

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:39 pm

Soundcity wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:51 pm Can you please tell us your stance on the new Future Vocals XP.
As your EULA states,

Software Licence, Sample Licence, Rights and Restrictions
2 Under the Licence you may not and shall not, without Our express written authorization:
commercially use any compositions, melodies, melody-loops, lyrics, and vocal-samples or parts hereof from any Vengeance Samples or Audio Plugin Libraries.

Does this mean that songs made using previous vocal-samples as well as XP's that are mostly vocals ie.Future Vocals XP will be in direct violation of your EULA?

Please advise Manuel,

I think this is what came up on page 453 (!) Woodsdennis post seems to explain it best - viewtopic.php?p=7016057#p7016057 , and scroll around there for a bit more context. The nutshell in that case was that EULA doesn't apply to Avenger or Nexus, only to construction kit sample packs. It's not well worded though, I can see how "Audio Plugin Libraries" can be interpreted as XPs. Would be good for Manuel to confirm.

Soundcity · Post by **Soundcity** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:34 pm

Thank you noiseboyuk for the post.
"yes you are right, we could eventually remove the "Audio plugin library" from the list, so its more clear this is for sample-packs constr. kits and loops and not ARPs from instruments. Since we sell no sample-packs over VS page, maybe the whole passage is unnecessary, but I have to discuss this when I am back."

I wish this was sticky somewhere, if it is please disregard my over-site.

I suppose that the last point of contention would be, are SQ's considered compositions? How much stepping on toes does it take to change a few things and then use the results legally, just asking!
"commercially use any compositions"

Comments welcome.

MissOptimyst · Post by **MissOptimyst** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:50 pm

Has anyone bought and installed any of the new expansions without issues with Vman? Everything is up and running nicely on my machine so don't want to tempt an issue, but I would LOVE to get Funky House 2 and a few other new expansions. Just want to make sure everything is stable.

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:57 pm

no worries, it should be 1 click with V-MAN.
In the rare case if not, Rene will help you out, until it works again

Bansaw · Post by **Bansaw** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:33 pm

I'm doing a "Community Riser" project...

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:41 pm

sircuit wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:26 am
msvs wrote:we could eventually remove the "Audio plugin library" from the list, so its more clear this is for samplepacks constr. kits and loops and not ARPs from instruments. Since we sell no samplepacks over VS page, maybe the whole passage is uneccessary, but I have to discuss this when I am back.
It would useful for everyone to have the license agreement reflecting the actual products on the website since apparently the main concerns refer to products that are not even sold through v-s web shop. That's all I was seeking from the begining: clarification.

PS: Enjoying the holidays in a place where they play Apres Ski music?

Was any of this clarification done? Don't know what it looked like in 2018 but some of the concerns brought up then still look the same to me.
rsp

Ohlson_M · Post by **Ohlson_M** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:02 pm

Soundcity wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:34 pm Thank you noiseboyuk for the post.
"yes you are right, we could eventually remove the "Audio plugin library" from the list, so its more clear this is for sample-packs constr. kits and loops and not ARPs from instruments. Since we sell no sample-packs over VS page, maybe the whole passage is unnecessary, but I have to discuss this when I am back."

I wish this was sticky somewhere, if it is please disregard my over-site.

I suppose that the last point of contention would be, are SQ's considered compositions? How much stepping on toes does it take to change a few things and then use the results legally, just asking!
"commercially use any compositions"

Comments welcome.

I may not be able to provide a definite answer to this question. However, intuitively, it makes no sense to sell XPs if you aren´t allowed to create music with them. Just look at a couple of XP descriptions, they pretty much answer this question. Presumtive makes-no-sense-answers in parenthesis, if this was not the case.

Techno 1
"Only the 40 (!) new drumkits themselves would already justify this XP, they are so well laid out, complex and perfectly mixed, that they will provide the basis of all your productions."

(...but if you use them in your own productions, we will sue you!)

Future Bounce
Explore inspiring arps & sequences, dancefloor destroying basslines, cutting leads and plucks, banging risers for your breaks and hard hitting drumkits - all in crystal clear quality and "ready to use" in your tracks...

(...but if you use them in your own tracks, we will sue you!)

Soundcity · Post by **Soundcity** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:27 pm

Wow I'm not sure how to take the answers. Melodies can be copyrighted as well as a song. So my point would be if you used a "SQ" and didn't do much to change it, is it fair to say it's your song or msvs's song? Drums are drums, melodies are not drums and SQ's are songs, from what I understand chords cannot be copyrighted.

Speaking of Drums, can someone please tell me how to save the kits and sq... as the old ver let you save to a folder called drumsq and drumkits.
The newest ver I have no idea where to save them to. I can see in the interface the default kits and sq but have no idea how to save into those locations.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:40 pm

Soundcity wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:27 pm Wow I'm not sure how to take the answers. Melodies can be copyrighted as well as a song. So my point would be if you used a "SQ" and didn't do much to change it, is it fair to say it's your song or msvs's song? Drums are drums, melodies are not drums and SQ's are songs, from what I understand chords cannot be copyrighted.

.....

This!!
Indeed drums won't fall under: "melodies, melody-loops, lyrics, and vocal-samples"

But SQ;s come with a melody and melody loops and certainly if they are any Vocal XP's it clearly comes with lyrics (a word or two maybe?) and certainly vocal samples.

Plus I really wonder how much of the customers are hobbyist rather than people who make music for a living.

rsp

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