Bitwig Studio 3.2 goes into Beta

[pdxindy]

I do have issues with Bitwigs upgrade model. I don’t think the value is there, especially after this update but in this particular instance that wasn’t my intention behind the comment.

I don't mind the model... and while in the beginning I found the cost vs the improvements to be acceptable, the past 8-9 months has been a bit on the slim side. Next time my 12 months is up I may wait 6-12 months before activating again if it keeps going as it has. The reason I am okay with the model is because I have that choice. Otherwise I would drop Bitwig in a moment.

Why wouldn't you already have been doing that? The whole idea is don't renew your plan until an update comes along that contains enough improvements that you are willing to jump in and pay again.I renewed in December but probably wouldn't have except for the fact that Moss's push script had some useful updates that required the newer version.

There's no problem at all...

[EnGee]

I needed to go through the list more than once. Nothing of the things I was waiting for have been enhanced or implemented Anyway, I feel the same like some of you. I won't update just for these addition, although they are great for sound manipulation but I really don't care that much about this now. My priority is enhancing the workflow/browser/midi composing ... those things.

I use mainly midi patterns for drums as a starting point. I have tons of them already and I like to preview some before I start to construct what I want in my mind. Unfortunately, Bitwig (and Live as well) just playing sine wave (or was it saw wave?!) while in Cubase, S1 and Reaper I can preview them while choosing the instrument on a track I want as a destination. I can easily know what I'm looking for from patterns/kit combo. In Bitwig/Live I must keep drag and drop the patterns into clips. Very annoying after 5 to 10 times.

The next step is to edit/add ..etc to the patterns. If that is in Drum Machines, it is not a problem as I have the name of the sounds listed, but usually I use 3rd party instruments/sounds and there is no way to make my own lists.

For these reasons, I made S1 my primary host now while I'll keep Bitwig as my second one. I will update it when there are such enhancements

[antic604]

BTW, is this “XP” filter name signifying something about an Oberheim filter model? I wonder if anyone familiar with one can check.

I would assume the Matrix 12 which had a filter with 15 modes

Good call....it is a really is a great sounding filter, need to build a new Matrix 12 inspired polysynth around this!

Aren't the Filter XP's models the same we always had in Ladder (at least from 2.0), though? They seem to be, at least in terms of description as I've not compared the sound (and it would be still difficult to discount the impact of 4x oversampling in Grid).

[SLiC]

For these reasons, I made S1 my primary host now while I'll keep Bitwig as my second one. I will update it when there are such enhancements

Same here, that combination fulfils every single need I have from mainstream to experimental, between those 2 DAWs I want for nothing and have every single feature I desire

[poonna]

BTW, is this “XP” filter name signifying something about an Oberheim filter model? I wonder if anyone familiar with one can check.

I would assume the Matrix 12 which had a filter with 15 modes

Good call....it is a really is a great sounding filter, need to build a new Matrix 12 inspired polysynth around this!

Aren't the Filter XP's models the same we always had in Ladder (at least from 2.0), though? They seem to be, at least in terms of description as I've not compared the sound (and it would be still difficult to discount the impact of 4x oversampling in Grid).

I think the name XP is probably derived from Oberheim Xpander which is basically the module version of Oberheim Matrix-12, hence my suspicion. The variety of filter modes itself also steers it toward that direction.

[poonna]

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[antic604]

I think the name XP is probably derived from Oberheim Xpander which is basically the module version of Oberheim Matrix-12, hence my suspicion. The variety of filter modes itself also steers it toward that direction.

But that still doesn't mean the answer is 'no' to my question. I liked the Ladder filters a lot and Grid only makes them more high quality and - probably? - polyphonic as well.

[poonna]

I think the name XP is probably derived from Oberheim Xpander which is basically the module version of Oberheim Matrix-12, hence my suspicion. The variety of filter modes itself also steers it toward that direction.

But that still doesn't mean the answer is 'no' to my question. I liked the Ladder filters a lot and Grid only makes them more high quality and - probably? - polyphonic as well.

Not sure if I got your question correctly, but if the XP filter is really inspired by Oberheim Xpander whose filter is based on a CEM chip, it shouldn't be the same as ones in the Ladder filter, which is supposedly inspired by a Moog filter (or other synths using a ladder topology). Or maybe I misunderstood what you said.

[SLiC]

I think the name XP is probably derived from Oberheim Xpander which is basically the module version of Oberheim Matrix-12, hence my suspicion. The variety of filter modes itself also steers it toward that direction.

But that still doesn't mean the answer is 'no' to my question. I liked the Ladder filters a lot and Grid only makes them more high quality and - probably? - polyphonic as well.

Not sure if I got your question correctly, but if the XP filter is really inspired by Oberheim Xpander whose filter is based on a CEM chip, it shouldn't be the same as ones in the Ladder filter, which is supposedly inspired by a Moog filter (or other synths using a ladder topology). Or maybe I misunderstood what you said.

Only your 'ears' can answer his question!

[antic604]

Not sure if I got your question correctly, but if the XP filter is really inspired by Oberheim Xpander whose filter is based on a CEM chip, it shouldn't be the same as ones in the Ladder filter, which is supposedly inspired by a Moog filter (or other synths using a ladder topology). Or maybe I misunderstood what you said.

No, perhaps I'm just clueless - I only saw that the list of filter types (different order HP & LP, BP, Peak, etc.) seems to be the same between the Ladder and XP, so I assumed they might be the same. But you're right that those are just "types", but underlying construction - like you neatly call it: topology - might be completely different, the same way like Moog, Sellen Key or SVF low pass filters sound different

I'll have to just listen to them and see

[apoclypse]

I do have issues with Bitwigs upgrade model. I don’t think the value is there, especially after this update but in this particular instance that wasn’t my intention behind the comment.

Yeah, you just wanted to take a cheap shot and ride on the popular misconception

You have no clue what I was about. So just STFU and stop trying to act like you can read minds.

[antic604]

I do have issues with Bitwigs upgrade model. I don’t think the value is there, especially after this update but in this particular instance that wasn’t my intention behind the comment.

Yeah, you just wanted to take a cheap shot and ride on the popular misconception

You have no clue what I was about. So just STFU and stop trying to act like you can read minds.

No, I don't. Sorry!

[dioxine]

I'm wondering is there any M4L device, that can act like that new Bitwig's "Selector Modes" in Ableton?

[machinesworking]

BTW, is this “XP” filter name signifying something about an Oberheim filter model? I wonder if anyone familiar with one can check.

I haven't downloaded the beta yet, but I've got an Oberheim Xpander here, so I can definitely take a look. This will be the third or fourth software filter based on the Xpander that I own though, it's getting as redundant as the Minimoog filter. And still no one really does a Memorymoog or early Roland filters etc.

Let's See?
Falcon, Arturian Matrix 12, MachFive 3, and now Bitwig it looks like.

Credit given though, most of these are "inspired by" rather than clones.

[pdxindy]

I think the name XP is probably derived from Oberheim Xpander which is basically the module version of Oberheim Matrix-12, hence my suspicion. The variety of filter modes itself also steers it toward that direction.

But that still doesn't mean the answer is 'no' to my question. I liked the Ladder filters a lot and Grid only makes them more high quality and - probably? - polyphonic as well.

Not sure if I got your question correctly, but if the XP filter is really inspired by Oberheim Xpander whose filter is based on a CEM chip, it shouldn't be the same as ones in the Ladder filter, which is supposedly inspired by a Moog filter (or other synths using a ladder topology). Or maybe I misunderstood what you said.

Only your 'ears' can answer his question!

I have no idea if it sounds even vaguely like a Matrix 12 but I quite like the sound character I am getting using the new XP filter...