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midi_transmission · Post by **midi_transmission** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:35 pm

Nichttuntun. Firstly let me be clear that I do like to keep this mannered and as a honest exchange of views, no bad intention. But I don't understand the idea behind it and so far it has not been explained. Just that's different. But on the Blackrooster web site it's explicitly talked about typical 1176 usage like all button mode related to the FET, which doesn't fit at all to the FET reaction I've experienced. The all buttons mode reacts very different to what you would expect (see previous page of the thread). This confuses me a little as there's nothing that gives a hint that this is not in the 1176 ballpark.

Therefore I kindly want to ask what's the idea to eventually find usage for it and understand why the all buttons mode reacts so subtle here. I think this is a fine question. I suppose there is a good reason to choose a non typical 1176 revision. A tool should be useful after all, right? Only different is no value in itself. I want to learn.

I like Blackrooster products by the way and I most likely will get the bundle like a lot of other people I guess. That's why I want to understand the one product I don't get so far. Not that this is getting in a wrong direction.

midi_transmission · Post by **midi_transmission** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:12 pm

One thing I found pretty great today with the FET is to us it in ratio 1 mode. It gives an amazing sounding warm distortion.

midi_transmission · Post by **midi_transmission** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:38 pm

Next thing I found is that it's a really good glue compressor. I tried it in many old projects and exchanged the used compressors with the FET. Applying it with some dB reduction makes the sound bigger and more real sounding.

It's a crazy good sounding compressor for this, but one that can't be used as a typical 1176 smashing style compressor.

In my opinion the description from this plugin is leading in a wrong direction, this is probably the root of the confusion. It looks like a typical 1176 and it's described in the the same way.
https://blackroosteraudio.com/en/blogre ... ur-vla-fet
But when you use it like that you will be disappointed.

My recommendation would be to adapt the description and take more care how people understand the product. I would have skipped this compressor without doing a lot of research.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm

yeah, it's slow.
i've neglected it for a while. but i've been preparing a shootout of FET's and it still sounds the most pleasent.

MogwaiBoy · Post by **MogwaiBoy** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:30 pm

Ploki wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm yeah, it's slow.
i've neglected it for a while. but i've been preparing a shootout of FET's and it still sounds the most pleasent.

Please shoot it out against LVC-Audio's FET module in T-Chain. I'd be keen to know your thoughts.

midi_transmission · Post by **midi_transmission** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:30 pm

Yes, this thing in faster would be a truly great 1176 emu. I had preferred a more classic emulation and I still do not really understand why a more exotic model was used. Would love to hear a reason for this or what aspect is better in this revision. This way it's still really great but something different than expected.

Would love to hear your results of the teste FET's when you have time to write them down.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:35 pm

i have to get to the studio before my PA and Softube demos run out.

mix:analog has a hardware 1176 so i'll push it through that one as well.

frankly, as a 1176, i have no clue what to do with it from 1 to 3... it just sounds like its doing nothing

it's really hard to match them tho

been trying these:
VLA-FET, Arturia 1176, Pulsar Smasher, PA MC-77, Unisum FET mode, Presswerk 1176 preset.

will download LVC too

midi_transmission · Post by **midi_transmission** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:51 pm

1 to 3 is slow. So depending on the material it should sound like it's doing nothing, shouldn't it?. Imho the slow setting is not a problem, you can create a nice smack with this at the attack. My issue is mostly that the fastest release (6-7) is too slow to get a pumping overhead mic sound. It's too gentle. And all buttons mode does only very litte compared to other all buttons modes.

The sound itself is great and very alive. I really like to use it also on drums, just not for smashing or pumping drums.

That said, you can turn it around and make something positive out of it. It's very hard to create wrong settings with it and destroy the sound.

escalona · Post by **escalona** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:06 am

Ploki wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:35 pm i have to get to the studio before my PA and Softube demos run out.
mix:analog has a hardware 1176 so i'll push it through that one as well.

frankly, as a 1176, i have no clue what to do with it from 1 to 3... it just sounds like its doing nothing

it's really hard to match them tho
been trying these:
VLA-FET, Arturia 1176, Pulsar Smasher, PA MC-77, Unisum FET mode, Presswerk 1176 preset.

will download LVC too

Softube FET and PSP Fetpressor are my go-to 1176s, if you can add them to the list.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:12 am

escalona wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:06 am
Softube FET and PSP Fetpressor are my go-to 1176s, if you can add them to the list.

softube is already on the list, i forgot to wrote it down

demo runs on on 2nd of May, i might buy this one eventually

i'll get PSP as well.

i've been doing it on headphones just to ballpark it, they're really heard to much, the timings are all over the place.

I think i just might run a bunch of test tones through the actual hardware before i run the drumloop through, to see how it's supposed to behave, then try to match it with the plugins.

escalona · Post by **escalona** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:43 am

Ploki wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:12 am
escalona wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:06 am
Softube FET and PSP Fetpressor are my go-to 1176s, if you can add them to the list.
softube is already on the list, i forgot to wrote it down
demo runs on on 2nd of May, i might buy this one eventually
i'll get PSP as well.

i've been doing it on headphones just to ballpark it, they're really heard to much, the timings are all over the place.

I think i just might run a bunch of test tones through the actual hardware before i run the drumloop through, to see how it's supposed to behave, then try to match it with the plugins.

I can't think of anything more challenging and obtuse than running a comparison of 1176s... so many of them and so peculiar each one of them. I usually stick a Softube FET and if I'm not 100% happy, I slap the PSP or the Arturia or the BRA... then I go for the slate ones... if I'm still unhappy, then it's mostly something else wrong with the track.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts. Thanks for doing this.

sleepcircle · Post by **sleepcircle** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:14 am

imagine having only one hardware 1176. like a single stereo pair with the components match by ear, and you could ONLY use that one

it's a marvelous day and age we live in

vitocorleone123 · Post by **vitocorleone123** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:50 am

Also, Kush Novatron does FET style compression.

midi_transmission · Post by **midi_transmission** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:09 am

@Ploki: DMG TrackComp 76 model is also very intresting.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:55 am

jesus christ how many of these are there?

Black Rooster Audio releases the VLA-FET