KVR Audio

the-machine · Post by **the-machine** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:02 am

Im genuinly surprised how M1 and Wavestation are easy on CPU, RAM and how complex and great sounding patches are. Not going to point fingers to companies but some are making romplers who's libraries takes tens of gygabytes of space, consume so much more CPU and so much RAM, but the patches themselfs leaves to be desired. I just dont understand what other developers are doing that their samples take so much space and yet do not sound as alive as in those acient Korg romplers.

dune_rave · Post by **dune_rave** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:07 am

with this step, korg collection is one of the best bundles around.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:21 am

the-machine wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:02 am Im genuinly surprised how M1 and Wavestation are easy on CPU, RAM and how complex and great sounding patches are. Not going to point fingers to companies but some are making romplers who's libraries takes tens of gygabytes of space, consume so much more CPU and so much RAM, but the patches themselfs leaves to be desired. I just dont understand what other developers are doing that their samples take so much space and yet do not sound as alive as in those acient Korg romplers.

It's not only Korg. Most of the hardware synths back in the day had such a great programming. EMU-Ensoniq synths, for example, always had such great sounding patches with tiny sample sets.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:22 am

dune_rave wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:07 am with this step, korg collection is one of the best bundles around.

Their analog synths could do with a sound engine update though.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:34 am

M1 takes some 300 or so MB of RAM. Not exactly super efficient but considering all the graphics and all the ROM data I guess it was to be expected.

LoveEnigma18 · Post by **LoveEnigma18** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:19 am

All the synths sound brilliant, but in general, how do guys see the relevance of these synths in today's music scene considering these are quite old?

Thought it would be an interesting discussion and some knowledge sharing.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:24 am

Considering a bunch of music today is done with 40 or 50 years old synths... anything can be relevant anytime.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:45 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:19 am All the synths sound brilliant, but in general, how do guys see the relevance of these synths in today's music scene considering these are quite old?

Thought it would be an interesting discussion and some knowledge sharing.

Well, not really imho. This Thread is about the GUI update and associated problems. It might just clutter up the conversation for people who are trying to find solutions.

If by today's music scene you mean extremely nasty dub-step styles or something, then perhaps look elsewhere.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:52 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:19 am All the synths sound brilliant, but in general, how do guys see the relevance of these synths in today's music scene considering these are quite old?

Thought it would be an interesting discussion and some knowledge sharing.

You can see a good deal on new bands using Moogs, Junos, etc. on stage currently.
There is a reason, they still sound great.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:56 am

EvilDragon wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:24 am Considering a bunch of music today is done with 40 or 50 years old synths... anything can be relevant anytime.

This.

Many of these older synths are no different conceptually to playing a Telecaster or a Les Paul. Nobody says that old guitars aren't relevent to modern music, or indeed emulations of old instruments.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:02 am

muki wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:25 pm in re controller:

ok, just did a test on an old system:
that is: mac SL (10.6. with KLC MS20 1.3.0

in this old version the LEDs do work in the standalone only
they do not work in plugin mode

since they don't work in the new 2.0.4 version i guess it will be another thravel to the bugreport/support page ?

Back in the studio this morning, and I don't get the LEDs working on my system in standalone or plugin. I can't be 100% sure, but I think they used to work standalone but not plugin.

As you say, its not the most pressing problem in the world right now, but if they're fixing stuff would be nice to have it restored.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:13 am

If you think something that functions correctly is useless just because of its age you need your head checking. Tho I'm guessing its n00bs making these silly comments

WasteLand · Post by **WasteLand** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:17 am

noiseboyuk wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:02 am
muki wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:25 pm in re controller:

ok, just did a test on an old system:
that is: mac SL (10.6. with KLC MS20 1.3.0

in this old version the LEDs do work in the standalone only
they do not work in plugin mode

since they don't work in the new 2.0.4 version i guess it will be another thravel to the bugreport/support page ?

Back in the studio this morning, and I don't get the LEDs working on my system in standalone or plugin. I can't be 100% sure, but I think they used to work standalone but not plugin.

As you say, its not the most pressing problem in the world right now, but if they're fixing stuff would be nice to have it restored.

on windows the leds work in standalone and plugin. in my case, don't know if it only a mac problem.

and:

wrote to support about the korg software pass:

the korg software pass deletes everytime you load the program:
c:/user/(name)/appdata/local/temp
i.e. the temp directory, which is also used by other programs. this can lead to problems.
also why not make a destination folder for the zip files? or make the installer unzip them, or something else. you have programmers, it is easy (i was once a programmer...).
it is now an installer that does not do the job, quite well.
greetings,

answer:

Hi,

Thank you for the report. We'll re-consider the way to use the temp folder. We might put a unique folder in the temp area to avoid unwanted deletion.

Best regards,

Korg app team

this is only for windows i think, for deleting a general temp folder. so they seem to fix that. because, it can lead to problems. although it is temp directory... that can be emptied...

but it isn't a behavior you want. the advice, from me, to make a better installer, i.e. install the zip files, or like NI or arturia, does, that doesn't recquire a lot of programming skills. o well, if they fixed this, it is better behavior.

i didn't use the plugins in my main studio yet, because i have to figure out, the many, unfinished projects...

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:19 am

I really don't know why they even use ZIPs... they should just download the installer and run it, instead of forcing you to unpack then install manually. Makes no sense.

But they spent their dear time to make the installer pages SCROLL INTO VIEW FROM THE RIGHT, making the installer slower and sluggish to use. Really weird stuff.

LoveEnigma18 · Post by **LoveEnigma18** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:21 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:13 am If you think something that functions correctly is useless just because of its age you need your head checking. Tho I'm guessing its n00bs making these silly comments

I am a noob with respect to hardware synths, I have no shame to accept that (of course, that does not mean I don't understand everything. I have been using software for quite some time, so I know my way around them for a good part). Probably because I am not old as you and also from a newer generation who has not been involved in music from beginning and has never got a chance to try hardware synths. Only people who feel offended might consider my question silly though.

Korg Collection (V2.0 released, GUI update!)