Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

[zvenx]

Wow......... Life
Nice to hear from you Andy.
Thanks Andy, hope you are keeping well and safe.
rsp

[kingryan]

f**k! Switched to Cubase and the one plugin isn't available in VST3.....

It will still work anyway, but here is good news: https://cytomic.com/news/vst3-support-way

I think maybe people confused Cubase dropping 32-bit support with dropping VST2?

Sidechaining no...btw that promise is older then this thread.

[andy-cytomic]

It seems the only people interested in VST3 are Cubase users since other DAW manufacturers can manage to route audio nicely to a VST2 plugin, go figure. In Live for example you can choose the source of the 2nd stereo input directly in the plugin rack interface.

VST3 support is still on the way once I updated to the latest version of Juce. This takes a back seat to most other things like updated security measures etc, since it doesn't prevent any functionality, it's just a convenience thing for Cubase users that will introduce instability and issues for everyone else, since framework updates mean lots of stuff changes, and large changes in software always mean trouble. If it ain't broken don't fix it is my motto for this stuff!

[Dip200]

I like the way vst3 sidechaining is done in Cubase. Would be great if The drop had this. And a Notch Filter and other Cutoff slopes like 18 db per oct.

[farfadetfarfelu]

Well, The sceam only appears to have one stereo input in Reaper... i suspect if it was VST3 it would be capable of showing more inputs per instance.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I like the way vst3 sidechaining is done in Cubase.

It's very similar to how VST2 sidechaining works in other DAWs. Steiny obviously could make VST2 sidechaining as easy in Cubase but they've been making their user's lives more difficult than they need to be for years now in order to try to force VST3 adoption.

[zvenx]

I like the way vst3 sidechaining is done in Cubase. Would be great if The drop had this. .....

100% with you. I just use plugins now that facilitate my workflow in my DAW of choice.
rsp

[TIMT]

Love The Drop its one of my favourite plugins and use it for a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with filtering.one thing i was hoping though with you doing the whole circuit model distortion pedal thing with The Scream was if you could update the non-linear elements post filter in The Drop.the drive is cool when you want to clamp the resonance and how it interacts with the drive in the loop and gain staging, but as an actual distortion or saturation, unit its pretty horrible and shrinks anything you put through it if you go a bit beyond minor clipping.i've amassed quite a few outboard filters of various topologies and none of them do that even when padded with quite a bit of gain, so i have to assume they are just waveshapers or something to approximate the op-amp or transistor in the circuit?definitely not on the same level of The Scream it would seem.i read you was working on a synth(which i am really looking forward to)a "The Drop 2"with those minor changes would be most welcome though

[andy-cytomic]

I like the way vst3 sidechaining is done in Cubase. Would be great if The drop had this. And a Notch Filter and other Cutoff slopes like 18 db per oct.

Selection of the secondary input to the plugin is possible in Cubase already, if the devs of Cubase coded it. Due to political reasons Steinberg will not do it. I asked them to provide me a technical reason they couldn't do it, and I offer help on the topic to them, I got silence. Ableton and other companies prefer to implement what is useful to their customers rather than pushing a new plugin standard.

[andy-cytomic]

Love The Drop its one of my favourite plugins and use it for a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with filtering.one thing i was hoping though with you doing the whole circuit model distortion pedal thing with The Scream was if you could update the non-linear elements post filter in The Drop.the drive is cool when you want to clamp the resonance and how it interacts with the drive in the loop and gain staging, but as an actual distortion or saturation, unit its pretty horrible and shrinks anything you put through it if you go a bit beyond minor clipping.i've amassed quite a few outboard filters of various topologies and none of them do that even when padded with quite a bit of gain, so i have to assume they are just waveshapers or something to approximate the op-amp or transistor in the circuit?definitely not on the same level of The Scream it would seem.i read you was working on a synth(which i am really looking forward to)a "The Drop 2"with those minor changes would be most welcome though

The Drive knobs are for fine tuning the non-linearies in the filter, so they are really a drive pad control and operate like this:

gain up eg +12 dB -> filter with non-linearities -> gain down same amount eg: -12 dB

Since the bit in the middle will obviously distort a lot when you increase the level a lot the signal will become less loud.

If you want the signal to become louder as then please use the input gain knob

It would be possible for me to add an option for 1/2 pad down if you like, then you would have:

+12 dB -> filter -> -6 dB

This will mean the signal gets louder as you adjust the Drive knob, which isn't ideal if you are fine tuning the amount of non-linearities in a mix, but better if you like things louder when you turn the knob up!

[Dip200]

Why do you think Steinberg wants to push vst3 ?

[zvenx]

As far as I understand it is that vst2 was not meant to do sidechaining, it was a 'workaround' in other Daws that achieved this.
One of the things that vst3 was designed to do is sidechaining. Why would SB be open to adding vst2 sidechaining ability at this stage when they clearly have developed vst3 for that purpose.

(Probably same reason Cytomic's software doesn't run on 10.7 Mac Os, I am sure technically you probably can but the world has moved on)

https://www.steinberg.net/en/company/te ... /vst3.html

https://sdk.steinberg.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=557


So indeed you are right, technically it isn't that they can't do it, but why would they want to do it when as far as they are concerned the vst2 ship has long since sailed.

rsp

[Klinke1]

Can you add a SH-5 Bandpass filter?

[acousticglue]

What about saw sine triangle

[gentleclockdivider]

Waht about saw ,sine triangle
You mean lfo waveforms ,everything except sine can be done with lfo 2