Why you left REAPER?

[Danilo Villanova]

if I’m using the on screen keyboard I have to click on its ui again each time I click somewhere else on the interface , making it useless for quick sketching...

If you right-click the bottom grey area of the keyboard (e.g. where it says "Center note"), a menu opens and you can choose "Send all keyboard input to Virtual MIDI keyboard".
How intuitive, right? And how sensible that this is not the default.
To be clear: I'm not a Reaper user, for these reasons. I just thought this might be of help to you.

Thanks, I'll try it out.

[fese]

The casual and often smugly sneering disregard lots of people have for Reaper is always baffling to me. Lots of folk seem to delight in it. Weird.

My opinion is that that is a reaction to the oftentimes missionary behavior of the reaper evangelists in forums with their constant “have you tried
reaper”, “reaper can do that”, “it’s so easy in reaper” and so on, even if the thread was actually about a different DAW. You know the type.

And while such people exists for other DAWs, too, somehow you only get this “religious cult” feeling mostly with the reaper advocates.
It’s a bit similar to Linux: it started as an “indie” or ”underground” project against the big corporations (even if the project was actually started by some rich dot com millionaires) and now people feel like they’re somehow better because of that, and they like to let you know.

it really put me off of using reaper. Well, that and the horrible windows95 shareware design well, and the fact that I’ve been working with my DAW for over fifteen years and really don’t feel the need to change, regardless of how much “better” reaper is.
I do like the concept of a very customizable DAW, though. If they one day decide to hire a professional UI/UX expert, I might reconsider.

[Danilo Villanova]

The casual and often smugly sneering disregard lots of people have for Reaper is always baffling to me. Lots of folk seem to delight in it. Weird.

My opinion is that that is a reaction to the oftentimes missionary behavior of the reaper evangelists in forums with their constant “have you tried
reaper”, “reaper can do that”, “it’s so easy in reaper” and so on, even if the thread was actually about a different DAW. You know the type.

And while such people exists for other DAWs, too, somehow you only get this “religious cult” feeling mostly with the reaper advocates.
It’s a bit similar to Linux: it started as an “indie” or ”underground” project against the big corporations (even if the project was actually started by some rich dot com millionaires) and now people feel like they’re somehow better because of that, and they like to let you know.

it really put me off of using reaper. Well, that and the horrible windows95 shareware design well, and the fact that I’ve been working with my DAW for over fifteen years and really don’t feel the need to change, regardless of how much “better” reaper is.
I do like the concept of a very customizable DAW, though. If they one day decide to hire a professional UI/UX expert, I might reconsider.

Or you could use I-LOGIC

[TheMaestro]

I are left Reaper not. because it best for tarnce, drum and base and harpsichord. And for make good lyrics like «oooh yeah, I am in a tracne, feel it, ah ah oh».
I make also rap like twopack and k-fed (Yes yes yes k-fed best!) and make rap beets hots with fastest highhat and rimming on the snare and so people clap and say I are best they hear. So Reaper are rule best in world and internet.

[spigmu]

Or you could use I-LOGIC

True, and that helps get away from the WIndows95 look of the default, but it's really only a new paint job (trying to avoid saying the inevitable "putting lipstick on a pig" in all Reaper theme threads ) Themes, for the most part, don't change any functionality.

Reaper's biggest problem is still its defaults, though it's improved by V6. The concept of a customizable interface is great. But the defaults are not consistent. The argument is generally misinterpreted as that it should be set up in a new user's comfort zone, which is not what it is. The argument that some people can't handle the amount of options is also misguided. It's about how the options are presented and implemented. Some functions are blank, so if it doesn't exist as a native function go to Actions, scroll to find what you need, and add it. Other functions respond unintuitively, even puzzlingly, and with the non-standard language it's sometimes a chore to hunt down what's happening.

Justin should sit down with some power users and also power users of another DAW and go over every default, from mouse modifier behavior pref tabs to DAW terms. For all I know he may have regularly, but the result gives the impression of not. Why "exploding" instead of "splitting", like everyone else calls it for just one small example, which makes it frustrating to find this function, and turning a stereo track into two mono tracks, using either term, isn't in the manual, IIRC.

Justin and Schwa are very good dealing with user suggestions. But, like any program that originated as an amature's personal amusement and then made more powerful for public release (right up through V4 it really seemed like no one at Cockos had ever been present at a recording session) Reaper still strikes me as something that would have benefitted from more consultation outside of the original circle before the versions got too high. It still requires working with a lipsticked pig, albeit a very powerful one.

[Danilo Villanova]

Or you could use I-LOGIC

True, and that helps get away from the WIndows95 look of the default, but it's really only a new paint job (trying to avoid saying the inevitable "putting lipstick on a pig" in all Reaper theme threads ) Themes, for the most part, don't change any functionality.

Reaper's biggest problem is still its defaults, though it's improved by V6. The concept of a customizable interface is great. But the defaults are not consistent. The argument is generally misinterpreted as that it should be set up in a new user's comfort zone, which is not what it is. The argument that some people can't handle the amount of options is also misguided. It's about how the options are presented and implemented. Some functions are blank, so if it doesn't exist as a native function go to Actions, scroll to find what you need, and add it. Other functions respond unintuitively, even puzzlingly, and with the non-standard language it's sometimes a chore to hunt down what's happening.

Justin should sit down with some power users and also power users of another DAW and go over every default, from mouse modifier behavior pref tabs to DAW terms. For all I know he may have regularly, but the result gives the impression of not. Why "exploding" instead of "splitting", like everyone else calls it for just one small example, which makes it frustrating to find this function, and turning a stereo track into two mono tracks, using either term, isn't in the manual, IIRC.

Justin and Schwa are very good dealing with user suggestions. But, like any program that originated as an amature's personal amusement and then made more powerful for public release (right up through V4 it really seemed like no one at Cockos had ever been present at a recording session) Reaper still strikes me as something that would have benefitted from more consultation outside of the original circle before the versions got too high. It still requires working with a lipsticked pig, albeit a very powerful one.

Actually I-Logic, and some other themes, include a custom configuraion and toolbars that greatly expand on functionality and workflow. You can keep customizing from there.

[spigmu]

Actually I-Logic, and some other themes, include a custom configuraion and toolbars that greatly expand on functionality and workflow. You can keep customizing from there.

I like the custom configurations and toolbars But I consider them settings configs and a separate thing from the visual customization of themes, since you can change configs, mouse modifiers, etc and create toolbars, save the changes and not touch the visual. But, yep, true, sometimes themes will include the themer's config setup.

I actually usually don't like to do that when trying on new themes because I don't want it to override my painstakingly set up configuration I do like to check out functionality users put in the stash, and I'll do it when something specific sounds interesting. I've done a lot of that lately but haven't changed the theme. The biggest game changer for me recently is "doppleganger"'s FXList for TCP, which puts full, IIRC, fx insert functionality as the mixer has in the track view. Finally, no big wasted space of the fx chain window in the TCP!

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=210987

[Radiotehnica]

I tried to switch to the reaper from the cubase - my brain almost broke

[keyman_sam]

The success of Reaper's UI will be when other DAWs try to imitate Reaper's look/workflow, not the other way around.

[Stormin Norman]

If I wanted to use something that looks and works like Linux, I'd just use Linux, but I don't because like Reaper, Linux is a dog, and like Linux hardly anyone uses it, and like Linux it will never get anywhere, just sit there with 4 1/2 people using it, always waiting for that day that will never come.

[Erisian]

If I wanted to use something that looks and works like Linux, I'd just use Linux, but I don't because like Reaper, Linux is a dog, and like Linux hardly anyone uses it, and like Linux it will never get anywhere, just sit there with 4 1/2 people using it, always waiting for that day that will never come.

Good one! Tell us another.

[whyterabbyt]

like Linux it will never get anywhere, just sit there with 4 1/2 people using it, always waiting for that day that will never come.

You realise KVR probably runs on a Linux system, right? Like at least 60% of the entire internet, right? And 100% of Android mobile phones, tablets and other devices?

Right?

Right?

Yeah.

[Danilo Villanova]

If I wanted to use something that looks and works like Linux, I'd just use Linux, but I don't because like Reaper, Linux is a dog, and like Linux hardly anyone uses it, and like Linux it will never get anywhere, just sit there with 4 1/2 people using it, always waiting for that day that will never come.

REAPER is probably the most used DAW.

[jinotsuh]

REAPER is basically made for nerds, people who are interested in programing, who would rather tinker around under the hood, code dinky little plugins etc, add to the endless list of actions and scripts, many of which can be flaky, poorly conceived and executed and often abandoned to become non-functional or partially non-functional. As such the UX is mostly horrible for the non nerds, people who are more interested in making music than continuously tinkering and customizing, so they generally just pass REAPER by for a better experience elsewhere.

[fairlyclose]

like Linux it will never get anywhere, just sit there with 4 1/2 people using it, always waiting for that day that will never come.

You realise KVR probably runs on a Linux system, right? Like at least 60% of the entire internet, right? And 100% of Android mobile phones, tablets and other devices?

Right?

Right?

Yeah.

replace Linux with Linux for the desktop and the point has some merit - Linux desktop is normally credited with about a 2% global share - not a big percentage but still a lot of people. No details on the numbers using Linux for media production. You could research the net worth of companies producing media production tools for android and linux desktop to get some idea of usage

the other post about Reaper being for nerds etc etc is also sort of right - as long as you take audio editing out of that comment - Reaper is an excellent multitrack audio editor and very well regarded for spatial audio editing as well