Scary move to Catalina OS

[apoclypse]

Went ahead and but the bullet and upgrade to Live 10. Will probably got o Catalina whenever the new Logic version drops.

[mwooten777]

As I'm getting back into music and recording, having to wait on Mac OS upgrades is a pain I hadn't thought about...

[MissOptimyst]

Wish you the absolute best with the upgrade. I’m a longtime Apple consumer and it seems like any time I’ve ever upgraded an iOS or MacOS whether a security update or a new OS altogether, something would break. Either an app, an AU plugin, a functionality would get corrupt (i.e. Time Machine, someone mentioned Touch ID), battery drain, slowed the system or slow connection to the Internet, crashes etc. They need to get better developers or their code far better tested! It’s ridiculous for the money we spend!

I currently have a weird bug with the latest iOS where if my Bluetooth is on WiFi is slow...

I think the main reason I fear updates in general unfortunately is being an Apple user with these experiences. I have been considering switching to PC and Android, but I love Apple products more minus the update issues. So I put up with it for now. May not forever though. For now, I tend to avoid updates until I absolutely need them.

That being said sorry to be gloom, I truly hope it works out just fine for you! In theory it should work easy enough.

[Forgotten]

Don't assume that issues don't occur on Windows and Android though - I was a Windows user for years and can't say that I have more issues on Mac than I ever had on Windows. Don't use Android devices, but my wife has considerably more issues than me on her phone and tablet.

However, it's all one person's perspective. I think there's been a kind of build up that Macs are way buggier than they are so people get scared to upgrade. I only ever hold off one week with MacOS or iOS upgrades and really have never had any serious issues. Some minor ones maybe, but certainly no worse than Windows.

[Ploki]

I upgraded my MacBook Pro to Catalina, but Mac Mini is still on Mojave. Absolutely 0 issues on Catalina.

[Yorrrrrr]

No major issues on Catalina here. MBP 16 inch, Live 10 or Logic Pro X.

[abernathy]

From the thread I started:
Well, I finally upgraded to Catalina, which I thought had gone surprisingly well. All my Logic songs opening without a hitch with u-he, Synapse, GForce, Korg, UAD etc. plugins. Now I've started opening songs with XILS synths (PolyM, XILS 4, miniSyn'X) and all preset settings are lost - every XILS synth in every song has reverted to the INIT preset. This reminds me of nightmares I had many many years ago with early Arturia synths. Is there something inherently wrong with how XILS remembers (forgets) parameter settings? I have a feeling I'm just screwed here. I've contacted XILS to see if they have a solution - we'll see.

[Forgotten]

I had XILS issues with presets recently, and was told to upgrade to the beta and then lost them all. Got an email from support that said the beta was updated, and that fixed things.

Wasn’t the settings in recorded music for me, it was the ability to see any presets at all, but maybe the two things are related.

[fmr]

However, it's all one person's perspective. I think there's been a kind of build up that Macs are way buggier than they are so people get scared to upgrade. I only ever hold off one week with MacOS or iOS upgrades and really have never had any serious issues. Some minor ones maybe, but certainly no worse than Windows.

[Ploki]

However, it's all one person's perspective. I think there's been a kind of build up that Macs are way buggier than they are so people get scared to upgrade. I only ever hold off one week with MacOS or iOS upgrades and really have never had any serious issues. Some minor ones maybe, but certainly no worse than Windows.

had to read twice, but gotta admit that is funny

Still have to agree with @Forgotten tho, the apparent insanity over Catalina was so grossly exaggerated it's beyond any reasonable explanation.

[fmr]

Still have to agree with @Forgotten tho, the apparent insanity over Catalina was so grossly exaggerated it's beyond any reasonable explanation.

I didn't try Catalina, since I am faithful to my principle of always be one OS version behind (at least). I am in Mojave, and plan to remain there for quite some time. I had problems whe I tried Mojave right after it was çlaunched, but when I "upgraded" to it (after Catalina launch) everything went smoothly, and I have experienced no problems so far. And I am able to run EVERYTHING I have.

But I think the main problem in Catalina (and where most of the noise created was concentrated) is connected with the mandatory "notarization" of the installers, which created a true nightmare among developers (judging from the threads I read, even here on KVR).

That's another example of those arbitrary moves decided by Apple, whose advantages are yet to be proven, yet creates a big burden on developers and users in general.

[Forgotten]

Still have to agree with @Forgotten tho, the apparent insanity over Catalina was so grossly exaggerated it's beyond any reasonable explanation.

Not really even sure what was funny about what I wrote There are plenty of people saying they have had no issues with Catalina, and a few (many of whom have said they haven't even upgraded) shouting out loud about how bad it is.

Perspective people...

[fmr]

Perspective people...

The same perspective revealed by someone that admitedly don't use Windows since quite some time, yet dared to compare the issues experienced in macOS with the issues experienced in Windows.

I, as someone who uses BOTH SYSTEMS, can also say that the VAST MAJORITY of users in Windows (which are way, way more than in macOS and use A LOT MORE hardware combinations) didn't experience any issues.

Does this mean there are no issues in Windows? Of course not. But breaking compatibility as Apple does, that certainly doesn't happen. I am still able to open software dating back to Windows 98 in Windows 10. Try that in macOS.

Personally, I never said a single word about Catalina. I just said that I don't see a reason for Apple to break compatibility with existing software (which it does) EVERY SINGLE YEAR. It's not me who says so - this year there were a lot of developers saying that. Among other issues. For example, just read this thread, which was just opened: viewtopic.php?p=7751143

And I personally experienced many issues in other versions - that's why I stopped being an early adopter, and advise people not to. So...

Perspective, people.

[Forgotten]

Perspective people...

The same perspective revealed by someone that admitedly don't use Windows since quite some time, yet dared to compare the issues experienced in macOS with the issues experienced in Windows.

If you look across this forum you’ll see plenty of people posting about issues they’ve encountered with Windows.

Your problem is that you’ve been on your crusade to jump into any thread that mentions Apple to criticize them for so long that you don’t have a sense of balance anymore.

[fmr]

Perspective people...

The same perspective revealed by someone that admitedly don't use Windows since quite some time, yet dared to compare the issues experienced in macOS with the issues experienced in Windows.

If you look across this forum you’ll see plenty of people posting about issues they’ve encountered with Windows.

Your problem is that you’ve been on your crusade to jump into any thread that mentions Apple to criticize them for so long that you don’t have a sense of balance anymore.

Issues is one thing - they can arise anywhere. In percentage, I am pretty sure they are meaningless. Problems deliberately created by the company, is ANOTHER.

It's funny mentioning a sense of balance to criticize a company that lost it A LONG TIME AGO. And don't care who it hurts.