SynthMaster v2.9.8 released with 50 new cinematic presets by DeJaVu Sound

[JoaquinAce]

I have found that some developers like to use Facebook since they can moderate what is written. Here they have little control in the subsections of the forum, except maybe in their own subforum. Not saying this is what KV331 is trying to do. I have given up a bit on Synthmaster 2.9, on my systems it just doesn't run as smooth as my other synths and sometimes just crash it. When there are so many other synths available, it's not worth the effort. Just grab something else and go. Synthmaster One does ok sometimes, but with the recent updates there were so many little issues that I close it down pretty quick after I open it up. I'll wait for a more stable version down the road, but not these late alpha/early beta versions. If KV331 moves to Facebook and leaves KVR, then they will totally disappear from my radar. I'm on enough of them and not joining more.

[kv331]

I have found that some developers like to use Facebook since they can moderate what is written. Here they have little control in the subsections of the forum, except maybe in their own subforum. Not saying this is what KV331 is trying to do. I have given up a bit on Synthmaster 2.9, on my systems it just doesn't run as smooth as my other synths and sometimes just crash it. When there are so many other synths available, it's not worth the effort. Just grab something else and go. Synthmaster One does ok sometimes, but with the recent updates there were so many little issues that I close it down pretty quick after I open it up. I'll wait for a more stable version down the road, but not these late alpha/early beta versions. If KV331 moves to Facebook and leaves KVR, then they will totally disappear from my radar. I'm on enough of them and not joining more.

No we do not have such an intention (of leaving KVR), this thread being on page 107 should be a proof of that.

Did you try sending us any bug reports with those recent issues you mentioned?

Thanks

Bulent

[claudedefaren]

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[JoaquinAce]

I have found that some developers like to use Facebook since they can moderate what is written. Here they have little control in the subsections of the forum, except maybe in their own subforum. Not saying this is what KV331 is trying to do. I have given up a bit on Synthmaster 2.9, on my systems it just doesn't run as smooth as my other synths and sometimes just crash it. When there are so many other synths available, it's not worth the effort. Just grab something else and go. Synthmaster One does ok sometimes, but with the recent updates there were so many little issues that I close it down pretty quick after I open it up. I'll wait for a more stable version down the road, but not these late alpha/early beta versions. If KV331 moves to Facebook and leaves KVR, then they will totally disappear from my radar. I'm on enough of them and not joining more.

No we do not have such an intention (of leaving KVR), this thread being on page 107 should be a proof of that.

Did you try sending us any bug reports with those recent issues you mentioned?

Thanks

Bulent

No, like I said I rather just move on to another synth which works properly than going through a bug report every time I find something or it crashes intermittently. Maybe down the road there will be a version which is stable. If it was my only synth, yes I would get upset about it and will be forced to spend time with sending bug reports etc, but when I am in a creative flow, I don't want to deal with bug issues. Just restart and move on to something else. By the time I am done with that piece for work for the day, then I already forgot about it so it ends up not happening. It just seems to me that synthmaster and even the most recent update of Synthmaster One have a lot more little bugs than other synth's new updates or new version, like Hive2, Zebra2.9 and Icarus2. None of those caused crashes or hanging notes when I moved onto their latest versions. Anyway, all the best of luck, Synthmaster One and Synthmaster 2.9 definitely have a nice sound to them so there is a lot of potential in them. I just don't like feeling like a beta tester every time I open one of my KV331 synths when instead I need to finish either one of my own projects or a project for a client.

[zvenx]

Unless a developer knows about a bug, details, and can replicate it, it is unlikely that it will ever get fixed.

Not because one person has a specific bug that is obvious to them means that everyone experiences that same bug and it should be obvious to the developer.

It is one thing if bugs are reported and they aren't addressed by a developer (which indeed does happen with some developers), but it is another thing to experience a bug, not report it, but expect others to report it.
rsp

[focusrite]

So what's to become of the support forum here? Since it's obviously abandoned, perhaps a mod should close it? Not a very good look for kv331 to have an abandoned support forum.

The kvr forum is still active and in use??

viewforum.php?f=98

[claudedefaren]

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[claudedefaren]

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[zzz00m]

I'm confused as to what you're insinuating. It seems like you're trying to be sarcastic, but the forum is clearly being used by us end-users and not at all by the kv331 team.

Ummm... This current thread is in the general "Instruments" forum.

The link he posted was for the actual KV331 forum.

[claudedefaren]

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[focusrite]

Yeah dude that's precisely what I was referring to. The KV331 team has been silent in their official support forum here for a while. If you click the link he posted, you can see a large number of bugs being reported without any response.

I reported bugs a week ago. I got a reply in 24 hours.

https://www.synthmaster.com/contactus.aspx

[sinkmusic]

I'm starting regreting posting a comment about that Facebollock thing : I didn't want to be part of a flame war, because KV331 doesn't deserve it.

- Ok, I don't like a company using a closed group (and pretending it is an open group), while they have an official forum and doesn't post in it what would belong in it...

This said, I think that the most important things are :

1-They do whatever they want. If they want to use a private group for their betas, that's their choice and I must respect it.

2- KV331 is a good company, and in all fairness, I don't think they wanted to sh*t on anybody by making this move. They make good software, they update it on a regular basis with innovative features, until now they're present on some forums and answer questions.

3- SynthmasterOne is very good, and i am confident that SM3 will be great... even if i don't know the upcoming features before it's officially announced, even if i can't try the public private beta, and even if i can't make suggestions or feature requests because they decided to prefer an Orwellian lobby over a free of mind forum

So, KV331, please, keep on making great instruments... and remember to let us KVR fellows know when SM3 will be released

[JoaquinAce]

Unless a developer knows about a bug, details, and can replicate it, it is unlikely that it will ever get fixed.

Not because one person has a specific bug that is obvious to them means that everyone experiences that same bug and it should be obvious to the developer.

It is one thing if bugs are reported and they aren't addressed by a developer (which indeed does happen with some developers), but it is another thing to experience a bug, not report it, but expect others to report it.
rsp

I never expect others to report it. Like I stated in my post, when I am in a creative flow and working on a project of mine or on a clients project, I try my best to not interrupt that flow when a plugin crashes. I move one to another synth. No problem. At the end of the day, after a long session, I either forgot about the bug or don't feel like dealing with it. I have other synths I can use. Also, when I reported a bug of synthmaster one crashing with some preset changes, I got the reply to download the latest version and subsequently it crashed again. By then I just move on. I have done beta testing for other companies before and I experienced a lot less bugs than with the KV331 versions. They were equivalent to alpha versions. You can look at the threads in the KV331 and one thing is certain, for me the new releases of KV331 always have more bugs than others synths at similar release stages. If its due to him being a one man show or using the public for his testing, I don't know, but if I would report every little bug I find, I would end up wasting a ton of time on it and not getting paid. Like I said, if it's my only synth, sure I would get upset. But it's not, so I move on and check back a few months later to see if it got more stable. No hard feelings. If KV331 wants more stable versions, then they should get more paid testers so they can decrease the numerous bug reports on the initial releases. It's clear from the big reports that they can definitely use more legit testers.

[zvenx]

Unless a developer knows about a bug, details, and can replicate it, it is unlikely that it will ever get fixed.

Not because one person has a specific bug that is obvious to them means that everyone experiences that same bug and it should be obvious to the developer.

It is one thing if bugs are reported and they aren't addressed by a developer (which indeed does happen with some developers), but it is another thing to experience a bug, not report it, but expect others to report it.
rsp

I never expect others to report it. Like I stated in my post, when I am in a creative flow and working on a project of mine or on a clients project, I try my best to not interrupt that flow when a plugin crashes. I move one to another synth. No problem. At the end of the day, after a long session, I either forgot about the bug or don't feel like dealing with it. I have other synths I can use. Also, when I reported a bug of synthmaster one crashing with some preset changes, I got the reply to download the latest version and subsequently it crashed again. By then I just move on. I have done beta testing for other companies before and I experienced a lot less bugs than with the KV331 versions. They were equivalent to alpha versions. You can look at the threads in the KV331 and one thing is certain, for me the new releases of KV331 always have more bugs than others synths at similar release stages. If its due to him being a one man show or using the public for his testing, I don't know, but if I would report every little bug I find, I would end up wasting a ton of time on it and not getting paid. Like I said, if it's my only synth, sure I would get upset. But it's not, so I move on and check back a few months later to see if it got more stable. No hard feelings. If KV331 wants more stable versions, then they should get more paid testers so they can decrease the numerous bug reports on the initial releases. It's clear from the big reports that they can definitely use more legit testers.

I wans't at all disagreeing with you about the general stability of Synthmasters. Sadly I fully agree with you and hardly use them for those exact reasons.

I am just speaking about the bug reports, which I do stop my workflow to do, because like you, I know I might forget them later. And I really do want a bug free Synthmaster cause to me they really sound good. And it won't ever get that way if we didn't do our part.

I think the issue is in part, indeed I am not sure if he has a group of private beta testers or if he does he has a wide enough group of them.
And the other part my own little theory: Many clamour for cheaper software and sales etc and KV331 is often having a sale and let us be honest the software is cheap for what it does. But as a result he may have lots of people who buy it but tons of people to provide support to, which my guess can become overwhelming for a small operation.
rsp

[JoaquinAce]

I wans't at all disagreeing with you about the general stability of Synthmasters. Sadly I fully agree with you and hardly use them for those exact reasons.

I am just speaking about the bug reports, which I do stop my workflow to do, because like you, I know I might forget them later. And I really do want a bug free Synthmaster cause to me they really sound good. And it won't ever get that way if we didn't do our part.

I think the issue is in part, indeed I am not sure if he has a group of private beta testers or if he does he has a wide enough group of them.
And the other part my own little theory: Many clamour for cheaper software and sales etc and KV331 is often having a sale and let us be honest the software is cheap for what it does. But as a result he may have lots of people who buy it but tons of people to provide support to, which my guess can become overwhelming for a small operation.
rsp

Totally. I would be in the first group saying the sound of either KV331 synths work great for my genre's. I really, really like how I can get sounds for dark techno to hardstyle and in between. That's why I still come back to them every so often. I even bought some of the expansions since I like using BigTone sounds as starting points for some of the sounds I use. That's why I have no hard feelings against the little bugs, but they are there...and I do experience crashes some times. I have high hopes for SM3, but he will need really good beta testers to roll it out smoothly than all the other synths previously.