How to make your recording sound professional?
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- KVRer
- 18 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from UK
I do alot of stuff with a mate and when the tracks are finished we convert each track to audio so you end up with say 30 tracks of audio from start to finish across the whole of the screen.
then he takes it to a studio and they convert it from cubase into logic and begin mixing it down properly and mastering.
when he comes back the sound is much bigger and any stereo friendly.
as i work and don't have the time to go to studios and anyway, he releases ours, my own are just for personal use.
however, i'm sure i can make my own recordings better just by buying some decent software or maybe not even that, just knowing what needs doing. at the moment the mix sound sgreta on my studio monitrs (jbl control 5 with sub) but when i get it on the hifi downstairs (missions) the sound is not as seperated and the bass is a bit overpowering.
i've tried matching cds with my own recording but not sure where to start. they all sound about the same on my studio monitors (maybe a little 'bigger' so i don't know why my own mix is struggling and not sure what to tweak.
any methods for this?
then he takes it to a studio and they convert it from cubase into logic and begin mixing it down properly and mastering.
when he comes back the sound is much bigger and any stereo friendly.
as i work and don't have the time to go to studios and anyway, he releases ours, my own are just for personal use.
however, i'm sure i can make my own recordings better just by buying some decent software or maybe not even that, just knowing what needs doing. at the moment the mix sound sgreta on my studio monitrs (jbl control 5 with sub) but when i get it on the hifi downstairs (missions) the sound is not as seperated and the bass is a bit overpowering.
i've tried matching cds with my own recording but not sure where to start. they all sound about the same on my studio monitors (maybe a little 'bigger' so i don't know why my own mix is struggling and not sure what to tweak.
any methods for this?
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
This is a dangerous proposition. Learn to use what you have first. Use it to it's absolute limits. Only then will you know exactly how you need to upgrade.Aff wrote:however, i'm sure i can make my own recordings better just by buying some decent software
It's good that you're recognising this. It's the first step to training your ears for audio engineering.Aff wrote:or maybe not even that, just knowing what needs doing. at the moment the mix sound sgreta on my studio monitrs (jbl control 5 with sub) but when i get it on the hifi downstairs (missions) the sound is not as seperated and the bass is a bit overpowering.
Matching CDs of similar music is a good way to learn your monitors and improve your mixing skills. Start by listening very closely to the tone of each individual instrument, and the balance between the instruments. It helps if you can switch between the CD and your mix (in progress) quickly and easily.Aff wrote: i've tried matching cds with my own recording but not sure where to start. they all sound about the same on my studio monitors (maybe a little 'bigger' so i don't know why my own mix is struggling and not sure what to tweak.
I hope that helps. What kind of music are you working on?
Forever,
Kim.
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
Sounds like your monitor setup needs tweaking: if your mixes are always bass-heavy, that implies that your monitors are bass-light.
Try adjusting your sub, or re-arranging your room, until you reach a point where your mixes seem to sound the same when played on other systems.. until you get that right any other advise is pointless as you won't be able to apply it accurately..
Try adjusting your sub, or re-arranging your room, until you reach a point where your mixes seem to sound the same when played on other systems.. until you get that right any other advise is pointless as you won't be able to apply it accurately..
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- KVRAF
- 2401 posts since 29 Dec, 2002 from In the dark
Many of your questions can be answered by getting The Mixing Engineer's Handbook. There are great resources on the internet too at The project studio handbook
Most of what you want to do can be done with existing tools. More tools may help to make it easier and better once you know exactly what you need.
Most of what you want to do can be done with existing tools. More tools may help to make it easier and better once you know exactly what you need.
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- KVRAF
- 2172 posts since 14 Feb, 2003
Perfect advice Jeez, I was gonna say the same things.
I'd like to add that the "some new gear will fix it" syndrome is dangerous because you don't really get to learn the concepts of mixing audio, you just end up applying the multi-band comp on the master bus, and select the "Mastering 1" preset.
I'd like to add that the "some new gear will fix it" syndrome is dangerous because you don't really get to learn the concepts of mixing audio, you just end up applying the multi-band comp on the master bus, and select the "Mastering 1" preset.
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- KVRAF
- 7886 posts since 24 Feb, 2003 from Earth, USA
The best thing is sitting down with an experienced pro and having him/her show you the ropes. The next best thing is at least booking studio time and watch a pro do it. The next is probably get some books and start reading and working.
Buying better equipment/software is nice, but doesn't do you any good if you don't know how to use what you already got.
Devon
Buying better equipment/software is nice, but doesn't do you any good if you don't know how to use what you already got.
Devon
Simple music philosophy - Those who can, make music. Those who can't, make excuses.
Read my VST reviews at Traxmusic!
Read my VST reviews at Traxmusic!
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- Mighty_Musician
- 897 posts since 29 Jun, 2002 from Oklahoma
Yep and mixing it right before bouncing down helps too 
KVR, my adult playground.
Please, call me Brice.
Please, call me Brice.
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- Mighty_Musician
- 897 posts since 29 Jun, 2002 from Oklahoma
(mods move please)
KVR, my adult playground.
Please, call me Brice.
Please, call me Brice.
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- KVRian
- 1103 posts since 19 Apr, 2004 from Trent Severn WaterWay
I'm no expert on this subject,,but I had someone with experience have a listen to my multi-tracks,,which is a better way to gauge problems rather than just listening to a finished master..
These were the problems he found:
1-Tracks not recorded at or near unity,,which can introduce noise.
2-Improper panning,,instruments need to be in their own space in the stereo field.
3-Over processing after bouncing,,this can suck the dynamics out of the mix.
One general rule was to take beer breaks!
These were the problems he found:
1-Tracks not recorded at or near unity,,which can introduce noise.
2-Improper panning,,instruments need to be in their own space in the stereo field.
3-Over processing after bouncing,,this can suck the dynamics out of the mix.
One general rule was to take beer breaks!
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- KVRAF
- 7886 posts since 24 Feb, 2003 from Earth, USA
Ummm... that's the last thing you want to do in all seriousness, but I bet you weren't being serious?vtx wrote:One general rule was to take beer breaks!
Devon
Simple music philosophy - Those who can, make music. Those who can't, make excuses.
Read my VST reviews at Traxmusic!
Read my VST reviews at Traxmusic!
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- KVRian
- 1110 posts since 30 Jan, 2004 from UK
I started a music technology course in September & only half way through the first module, Recording, I'm really starting to appreciate (More than ever) the importance of some of the key studio FX & sound processors you have at your disposal. Of course, The first thing you learn about recording is that your source material needs to be as good as can be or at least suitable for your purposes - As the saying goes you can't polish a turd. The next thing you learn is the importance of EQ's, Compressors, Gates, Reverb etc. Once you start to understand how these processors & FX are used effectively your recordings will start to come to life. Even with some basic knowledge I've started to give my often flat sounding recodings some new life.
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- KVRian
- 1352 posts since 3 May, 2003 from California USA
Any good reads that you could recommend?Dogboy73 wrote:I started a music technology course in September & only half way through the first module, Recording, I'm really starting to appreciate (More than ever) the importance of some of the key studio FX & sound processors you have at your disposal. Of course, The first thing you learn about recording is that your source material needs to be as good as can be or at least suitable for your purposes - As the saying goes you can't polish a turd. The next thing you learn is the importance of EQ's, Compressors, Gates, Reverb etc. Once you start to understand how these processors & FX are used effectively your recordings will start to come to life. Even with some basic knowledge I've started to give my often flat sounding recodings some new life.
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- KVRian
- 1110 posts since 30 Jan, 2004 from UK
This book has popped up a few times - Once from Kurt Kurasaki (AKA Peff) & the other time by our recording tutor in college;crazed one wrote:Any good reads that you could recommend?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 49-8047635
The first (customer) reviewer doesn't seem to like it
He also recommended a couple of other books which I've only breiffly flicked through. I think I've got the names jotted down at home. I'll post back when I'm there ......... If I've still got the names!
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- KVRian
- 1352 posts since 3 May, 2003 from California USA
very well. and thanks!Dogboy73 wrote:This book has popped up a few times - Once from Kurt Kurasaki (AKA Peff) & the other time by our recording tutor in college;crazed one wrote:Any good reads that you could recommend?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 49-8047635
The first (customer) reviewer doesn't seem to like itBut our tutor recommended this book as the simplified visual approach gives you a very good alternative way of looking at a mix & some how it automatically seems to make sense.
He also recommended a couple of other books which I've only breiffly flicked through. I think I've got the names jotted down at home. I'll post back when I'm there ......... If I've still got the names!