Rhino 1 is still working in Sonar 4 though.
What to do with a silent plugin ?
Rhino 2 silent in Sonar 4
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
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- KVRist
- 273 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from US
Rhino 2 has been working fine in my version of S4 for a long time! They are still working on getting the AT messages to work, though.
Reinstall Rhino 2.0, delete your earlier version after copying the fxb files and rescan your plugins with the vst adapter.
If this doesn't work, please give a much better description of what you did and how Rhino doesn't work. The way you described it is like telling a mechanic you car made a funny noise a few miles back. More info!
Reinstall Rhino 2.0, delete your earlier version after copying the fxb files and rescan your plugins with the vst adapter.
If this doesn't work, please give a much better description of what you did and how Rhino doesn't work. The way you described it is like telling a mechanic you car made a funny noise a few miles back. More info!
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 22 posts since 27 May, 2003
Now I read the Forte fix, but it is not gain related, since it generates *absolute silence*, not only a bit quiet output.
What did I do?
Fresh Sonar 4.0 install.
Insert Rhino 2.0 final (correctly installed, with proper deleting of the 2.0 pre-release DLLs) into
FX bin of track and set input MIDI track and play on MIDI keyboard with focus on the associated MIDI track -
> no sound at all.
Inserted Rhino 2 in Synth-Rack, also no Sound.
Inserted Rhino 1 in Track FX -> sound as usually.
Inserted Rhino 1 in Synth-Rack -> sound as usually.
What did I do?
Fresh Sonar 4.0 install.
Insert Rhino 2.0 final (correctly installed, with proper deleting of the 2.0 pre-release DLLs) into
FX bin of track and set input MIDI track and play on MIDI keyboard with focus on the associated MIDI track -
> no sound at all.
Inserted Rhino 2 in Synth-Rack, also no Sound.
Inserted Rhino 1 in Track FX -> sound as usually.
Inserted Rhino 1 in Synth-Rack -> sound as usually.
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
The Forte fix is not a simple mix boost ! It's a long story, but the default gain, when you install Rhino, is 0.25. Unfortunately, when running in Forte, the environnement is forced to English and the 0.25 value is loaded as 0 (because it should then be 0,25, with a comma instead of a dot). As a result the output is perfect silence. I thought it may well be the same in Sonar 4.
'Tick
'Tick
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- KVRAF
- 2217 posts since 15 Jul, 2003
here's a question
if it's silent in Sonar 4
is it also silent in standalone mode?
if it's silent in Sonar 4
is it also silent in standalone mode?
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- I'm American, I have rights!
- 414 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from x_World
I had the same problem.
Rhino 2 was silent in Sonar 4 but worked in stand alone mode.
For the life of me I have no idea how I fixed things but I know I had two directories for Rhino as I tried to save my 1.9 setup (couldn't, I did some late beta testing).
In my case, getting rid of the old folder, deleting properly) and then reinstalling 2.0 and 2.1 made it work. On my machine Rhino is freaking loud!
I'd suggest checking out the fix 'Tick is talking about as my method is filled with mysteries and user error.
Rhino 2 was silent in Sonar 4 but worked in stand alone mode.
For the life of me I have no idea how I fixed things but I know I had two directories for Rhino as I tried to save my 1.9 setup (couldn't, I did some late beta testing).
In my case, getting rid of the old folder, deleting properly) and then reinstalling 2.0 and 2.1 made it work. On my machine Rhino is freaking loud!
I'd suggest checking out the fix 'Tick is talking about as my method is filled with mysteries and user error.
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Now you're getting to get'em all thrilled with 2.1 
'Tick
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 273 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from US
Open a fresh Sonar. Don't insert Rhino into a MIDI channels FX. Click on a MIDI track. From the drop-down menu select: Insert,DXi Synth, VST, Rhino 2. Click on the synth in the synth rack and it should work. Do other synths work? Are they VSTi of DXi?
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 22 posts since 27 May, 2003
Yes, indeed. In Sonar 4 Rhino 2.01 is audible only withBig Tick wrote: ...
I thought it may well be the same in Sonar 4.
'Tick
"defaultGain"="1.00"
But in FL-Studio Rhino 2.01 works with both setings:
"defaultGain"="1.00" and "defaultGain"="0.25"
That is not easy to understand, but it works now at least this way in Sonar 4.
And thanks for the 2.01 update
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
You could also try with "defaultGain"="0,25"
(note the comma)
It may then work in Sonar4 (but probably not in other hosts).
I suspect Sonar4, like Forte, force the locale to english somewhere in their code. So the 0.25 value (note the dot) is (wrongly) converted to 0 and the synth is silent.
The problem doesn't happen with Rhino 1 because its default gain value is 1.00
'Tick
(note the comma)
It may then work in Sonar4 (but probably not in other hosts).
I suspect Sonar4, like Forte, force the locale to english somewhere in their code. So the 0.25 value (note the dot) is (wrongly) converted to 0 and the synth is silent.
The problem doesn't happen with Rhino 1 because its default gain value is 1.00
'Tick
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 22 posts since 27 May, 2003
Hi Big,
if I would be the developer of this superior synth, I would put this "defaultGain" editable in the GUI and save it binary in Registry...
Even better, I would treat it as VST parameter, so it is saved in the song, so playing a song on another computer or after fresh install with different "defaultGain" would not sound wrong, as it does now.
The current implementation is not "total recall" as expected from a VSTi.
Also I use Sonar 4 *and* FL-Studio.
What would be the proper Registry setting then ?
Anyway, Rhino is my favorite synth, but this whole "defaultGain" mess (sorry:) does not fit to the perfect synth in all other regards.
Cheers, and take it easy
rain
if I would be the developer of this superior synth, I would put this "defaultGain" editable in the GUI and save it binary in Registry...
Even better, I would treat it as VST parameter, so it is saved in the song, so playing a song on another computer or after fresh install with different "defaultGain" would not sound wrong, as it does now.
The current implementation is not "total recall" as expected from a VSTi.
Also I use Sonar 4 *and* FL-Studio.
What would be the proper Registry setting then ?
Anyway, Rhino is my favorite synth, but this whole "defaultGain" mess (sorry:) does not fit to the perfect synth in all other regards.
Cheers, and take it easy
rain
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- KVRAF
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Actually there's already a global level (lower left slider). The defaultGain parameter is a global, under the scene parameter, used to level-match Rhino with other vsti's.
Anyway, thanks for the comments, and I'm pleased to hear your problem is solved.
'Tick
Anyway, thanks for the comments, and I'm pleased to hear your problem is solved.
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from oakland, ca
...hmmm...works fine in Sonar 4 here...
Kind Regards:
Eric
Eric