What is wrong with Cubase?

[BBFG#]

Your subject line is wrong. It should read "What is wrong with Logic?" Cubase will always do something that Logic won't/can't do by its own choice.

Which makes any such comparison just a "run-by-fruiting".


And is relative to the stages of Apple infantilism.

[Spencer Maddox]

On the other I feel like it deters producers away because you need to spend 30-40$ on a USB drive and unlike ILOK you dont even have much use for it other then Cubase...

WTF are you talking about? You don't need to spend a dime, It's offered to you when you buy Cubase.

Unless your going to get it cross-grade, that a large amount of the potential market is looming in...
Or unless you want to download Cubase digitally and use it right away, somthing that virtually all DAWS are able to do Including pro tools now!
Or if you want to take advantage of Cubase Pros FREE DEMO.

Sure you can buy it in a Box but I see that’s as a primitively old style of doing things.
Not in the era of DAWS that you just download and use and don’t need any waiting for a package to arrive with your Program and a usb Licenser in it...

And you can use it for several things besides Cubase. Currently, I have in there licenses for Steinberg, VSL, Xils-Lab, and I still have some Waldorf licenses (although Waldorf left eLicenser in the latest versions).

Yea I know some developers use that platform for copy protection but I mean when you compare them to the developers who use ILOK it’s not even close.

[VitaminD]

I am a Studio One/Live user but the more I dive in to Cubase (because of media composing needs)the more I am amazed by it's features. As far as I can tell for linear workflow it is more advanced than the most and constantly updated. So what went wrong and this DAW is not more popular than for example Logic which is way limited compared to Cubase and had a last feature update in Jan 2018? You almost never see any one using it on youtube tutorials or famous users etc. Apart from media composers using it, it looks like it does not exist.
Is it Steinberg's failure of brand management, not enough PR? Or having trouble to reach new generation of producers songwriters? Dongle? Price? Workflow?

At first I was wondering how you came to this conclusion?

I'll admit since I stopped using it in 90s and forgetting about it, I thought it was left behind by others but when I started to work with it again I couldn't believe how advanced it is than the most.

Then I read the last part. So, you're assuming the above 3 paragraphs based on your feelings of it in the 1990s and 'forgetting about it.'

What is wrong with the color blue in living rooms? All I see is beige, green, brown, black, white. I guess it went out of style and no one kept making blue furniture or wall paint, because my living room isn't blue after I stopped considering blue 25 years ago for home decoration.

Sounds silly no?

Of course not just that. Not one soul around me was/is using it. It is all Logic and/or Live. And whichever studio I go they have Protools and/or Logic.
And for one project I was asked to do a certain style which I had little experience and when I checked for tutorials on youtube, it was all FL or Live.
Anyway I am glad it is still strong and going because I am really liking it. It is one amazing DAW.

In my own experiences (so ymmv), Many people (most?) are influenced heavily by the opinions of others. So, in this case, you end up with trends of people of a certain style of music latching onto a DAW/Host due to key people in that genre making use of it. So others bandwagon on too. Then they hype it on the forums and yt and away we go... People are lazy and won't do their own due diligence on researching (and trialing in the case of software) to form their own opinions.

So I wouldn't listen to the squeaky wheels much, they will give you a false sense of reality. Same with going to places like twitter or reddit -- they're echochambers of particular viewpoints and appreciations. You won't regularly see anything but the idea/belief/product du jour there or really even here to some degree.

Use the audio host that works for you and ignore the static.

[andypryce]

So I wouldn't listen to the squeaky wheels much, they will give you a false sense of reality. Same with going to places like twitter or reddit -- they're echochambers of particular viewpoints and appreciations. You won't regularly see anything but the idea/belief/product du jour there or really even here to some degree.

Use the audio host that works for you and ignore the static.

Totally

[djboomstick]

the only problem i have with cubase is , it's hard to tell what upgrades i get as included with 10.5 package and what i don't get because they are for stand alone product .

for instance , pad shop pro was included with the cubase package i have . does that mean i get padshop2 included or not , or at the discount upgrade price , or is that for stand alone upgrades ? . . .

thats all very confusing to me .
i guess it is more of a problem with steinberg than with cubase .

[Jace-BeOS]

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And is relative to the stages of Apple infantilism.

Congratulations on turning this thread into another Apple bashing thread. I’m not entirely happy with Apple myself, but this was unnecessary and out of context.

[BBFG#]

I'm not bashing Apple.
Can't fault them for marketing demographics that work for them.

[felis]

What is wrong with Cubase?

Almost nothing is wrong with it. I have no real complaints.

[telecode]

the only problem i have with cubase is , it's hard to tell what upgrades i get as included with 10.5 package and what i don't get because they are for stand alone product .

for instance , pad shop pro was included with the cubase package i have . does that mean i get padshop2 included or not , or at the discount upgrade price , or is that for stand alone upgrades ? . . .

thats all very confusing to me .
i guess it is more of a problem with steinberg than with cubase .

padshop pro turned into padshop 2 and is now included in cubase 10.5

[Passing Bye]

Is it Steinberg's failure of brand management, not enough PR? Or having trouble to reach new generation of producers songwriters? Dongle? Price? Workflow?

All of that really, they know who their user base mostly is and they naturally have need to cater to that paying crowd, which is perfectly fine, Cubase is one of those DAW's you just have to have a need to use and justify paying extra and using dongle, sure, there was recent attempts to attract new crowd with new interesting features, but competition is way ahead of them, as far as that crowd is concerned.

But with few right moves, it's not impossible to turn things around, people these days are wearing so many hats, having one DAW like Cubase that have some of the Live/Bitwig features to cater to them could just be the perfect thing, Cubase can easily blow out most of the competition out of the water.

So ditch the stupid dongle, don't listen to stupid "Cubase is perfect as it is" crowd and make some features hobbyist do care about, like whole sampling and clip launching stuff, working with loops, penciling stuff in piano roll, modulating and etc, seems like Logic crew realized the same and started going in that direction, their loss is that Logic was never match to Cubase or Pro Tools as far as advanced audio or MIDI is concerned, so it will always be some middle man, but it's much approachable DAW than both of them for the growing market, Apple marketed it good, ditched dongle, lowered the price, still lot of missed opportunities, but still it is what it is.

[Daimonicon]

Cheezuz, most post on kvr are whining posts about something. Ppl today are too spoiled and except the impossible from others and even if the impossible was made possible they would still whine. If ppl was as good as whining as making good music instead the world would be a nicer place and kvr would be a better forum. Is it ppl are disappointed they can't make better music and instead start to whine as a bad excuse for their lack of talent? I think so.

The difference between pro's is that they don't waste time complaining about a DAW, or long time for a upgrade of the DAW or plugins, ilok, etc. Instead they make magic. A famous producer/mixer, can't remember who now, was still using Pro Tools 6. So shut up and try make music instead.

[apoclypse]

It's probably due to cost and marketing really. Cubase always comes across the most expensive option. Also at least for me up until version 9(10?) the package just didn't come off as user friendly. They took some cues from S1, Logic, Ableton etc and addressed some of that over the years. It looks much easier and friendlier to use now but I don't feel like Steinberg has done enough to let potential new users know that.

[Googly Smythe]

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It looks much easier and friendlier to use now but I don't feel like Steinberg has done enough to let potential new users know that.

Some of that "friendly-isation" actually destroyed some peoples' workflow, mine included, that they'd been used to for decades. The transport toolbar, for instance - to put on the new bar what I had on the old, makes each end of the bar disappear off both sides of the screen, (2560x1440, in my case). Not to mention the removal of most of the useful context menuitems. I have 10.5 but I often revert to 9.5, the version before the dumb interface changes.

[Kalamata Kid]

I love Cubase and Studio One and Reaper and …

My problems with Cubase:

Not multi-touch.

ARA2 is not as good as Studio One. This is what I have heard.

Overlapping clips only the top one plays. S1, Cakewalk, Reaper, FLS both overlapping clips can play. Using Spectral Layers 6 or 7 in ARA2 may be a worthwhile work-around.

No Modular plugin such as Patcher by FLS or Multi-Instruments by S1.

Cubase is not out but Studio One 4.5 is now my one and only DAW and V5 is in sight whereas Cubase 11 will likely be released in November.

My main reason for liking Cubase is its Midi features.

[PatchAdamz]

I have been using it since Cubase SX, seen many changes over the years.
Its the most stable it has ever been now, hopefully it will only improve.