So this thread is just me wondering about this random stuff. Is it legal if you basically browse through your loop libraries folder and play each file one by one? Because i have this idea to put out a youtube video where i review a loop library that i own and also play the file one by one, so that people can actually listen to what's in a pack (instead of listening to carefully crafted demo song) and decides whether they like it.
Any potential for copyright takedown?
Legality of browsing loop libraries on youtube video.
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
Did you sell these loops? Did you publish these loops for unauthorized access?
Nope, you actually advertise these loops for free. You could even message a company and ask them to share your video on their page.
Nope, you actually advertise these loops for free. You could even message a company and ask them to share your video on their page.
Always. Copyright infrigment is only a deal between individual and right holder. If right holder doesn't come after you, no one else will. So better just ask them, and not us.Is it legal
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- KVRAF
- 2233 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
Several companies have a clause in their EULA stating that you cannot have isolated loops or individual chromatically sampled notes exposed in a song, so that they can't be stolen/resampled etc.
I'm pretty sure that they would regard an exposed "review" of their loops in the same category.
Best to ask them though, rather than to just go ahead and find yourself with a lawsuit on your hands.
I'm pretty sure that they would regard an exposed "review" of their loops in the same category.
Best to ask them though, rather than to just go ahead and find yourself with a lawsuit on your hands.
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- KVRAF
- 1768 posts since 1 Aug, 2006 from Italy
I wouldn't do a video like that: what if people sample directly from your video instead of purchasing the library? It's not a quality choice, but that wouldn't stop some people from doing it.
You may be able to "resolve the issue" (I'd rather say "to get away" than" properly resolve") with it by adding some background noise (and maybe lowering the quality), so people can't sample anything remotely useful... then you would have to check the license, looking for permitted use and restrictions (very often, the loops are licensed only for music production... and you can't use them in isolation, anyway). And ask then ask the sample company if they are ok with that (so you don't get into any trouble).
I have another consideration: if something like that was useful/viable, sample companies would already be doing those videos by themselves.
Honestly, I think it's not a good idea. If you use a service like LoopCloud or Splice, you can preview any sample before downloading/purchasing it (afaik, LoopCloud even lets you preview the samples in the context of your project, only at low quality and with background noise). I know those services don't cover all brands, but I think that's the best (= more efficient) solution to get an actual preview. I don't know much about those services and their subscription plans (I don't use them), but as a user you're alway just a click away from purchasing/downloading the content... A video, instead, requires you to go to the website of the sample library company (or to a distributor/retailer), login, add to cart and purchase... You know what I mean...
I know those services don't cover all the brands avaible on the market, but still...
Also, while lowering the quality and adding background noises is an unavoidable evil for services like LoopCloud and Splice, I wouldn't be that happy if I were making sample libraries and one of my products is shown at a lesser quality in a video... what if someone watches the video and thinks the library is not good (while it's just degraded for demo purposes)?
In my opinion, it's not a good idea.
If I wanted to review a sample library, I'd probably create a few demo songs and drop a few loops (my favourites) in the context, maybe showind it in the daw, with no additional processing...
Maybe a format like this is more viable (but I'd discuss it with the sample library company anyway).
You may be able to "resolve the issue" (I'd rather say "to get away" than" properly resolve") with it by adding some background noise (and maybe lowering the quality), so people can't sample anything remotely useful... then you would have to check the license, looking for permitted use and restrictions (very often, the loops are licensed only for music production... and you can't use them in isolation, anyway). And ask then ask the sample company if they are ok with that (so you don't get into any trouble).
I have another consideration: if something like that was useful/viable, sample companies would already be doing those videos by themselves.
Honestly, I think it's not a good idea. If you use a service like LoopCloud or Splice, you can preview any sample before downloading/purchasing it (afaik, LoopCloud even lets you preview the samples in the context of your project, only at low quality and with background noise). I know those services don't cover all brands, but I think that's the best (= more efficient) solution to get an actual preview. I don't know much about those services and their subscription plans (I don't use them), but as a user you're alway just a click away from purchasing/downloading the content... A video, instead, requires you to go to the website of the sample library company (or to a distributor/retailer), login, add to cart and purchase... You know what I mean...
I know those services don't cover all the brands avaible on the market, but still...
Also, while lowering the quality and adding background noises is an unavoidable evil for services like LoopCloud and Splice, I wouldn't be that happy if I were making sample libraries and one of my products is shown at a lesser quality in a video... what if someone watches the video and thinks the library is not good (while it's just degraded for demo purposes)?
In my opinion, it's not a good idea.
If I wanted to review a sample library, I'd probably create a few demo songs and drop a few loops (my favourites) in the context, maybe showind it in the daw, with no additional processing...
Maybe a format like this is more viable (but I'd discuss it with the sample library company anyway).
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- KVRAF
- 11338 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
As others are mentioning... Not a great idea for you (legally) or the creator/developer of the sample library.
The demo songs are there for a reason and its usually because the loops can be taken freely when posted alone. On Youtube, its extremely easily to download any video and extract just the audio.
BUT, as mentioned... contact the developer because they will probably be interested in you reviewing their libraries and they can give you their approval on playing the loops. Even if they don't approve of you playing loops one-by-one... If they do approve, and if they like your work, they would most likely cross promote your content which is a win-win.
The demo songs are there for a reason and its usually because the loops can be taken freely when posted alone. On Youtube, its extremely easily to download any video and extract just the audio.
BUT, as mentioned... contact the developer because they will probably be interested in you reviewing their libraries and they can give you their approval on playing the loops. Even if they don't approve of you playing loops one-by-one... If they do approve, and if they like your work, they would most likely cross promote your content which is a win-win.
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
The people browsing the samples on the youtube channels are not infringing copyright. It would be you or who ever else posts the videos that would be breaching copyright.