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Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Sun May 10, 2020 8:41 pm

Funny how stereotypes of nations can be seen in vstis.

Italy has ik multimedia and sampletank. Beautiful outside but broken inside and won't start at winter.

China has.. Well.. China quality..

German synths represent german engineering.

Swedish.. You don't want to go to sauna with them if you're straight. Except with the girls. Multiple girls at the same time please.

MMaarrkk · Post by **MMaarrkk** » Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 am

I think it really just comes down to the fact that a lot of music comes and originates from Europe, especially when it comes to electronic music genres, so it's not that surprising.

When it comes to education, it doesn't seem like there's much of a correlation unless maybe music classes, but I'm not sure on that as I simply don't know about how music is approached in American or Canadian education, but at least in Europe (in some schools/countries), it's heavily encouraged to branch out into different aspects of music, like production and anything under the sun.

In some Baltic states, music production or even presentations on DAWs are seen as a valid point of schoolwork when it comes to music classes. Once again, per school/country basis.

Timfonie · Post by **Timfonie** » Mon May 11, 2020 4:12 am

e-crooner wrote: Mon May 04, 2020 5:46 pmThere are also Dutch companies (for instance LennarDigital (Sylenth1), Toneboosters)

Yes, here are a few more: Rob Papen, 112dB, Audio Ease, Ummet Ozcan, Fabfilter, etc.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:19 pm

Ah, yes, I know Papen and Fabfilter, but didn't think of them.

VladK · Post by **VladK** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:32 pm

consordini wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 am When it comes to education, it doesn't seem like there's much of a correlation unless maybe music classes, but I'm not sure on that as I simply don't know about how music is approached in American or Canadian education, but at least in Europe (in some schools/countries), it's heavily encouraged to branch out into different aspects of music, like production and anything under the sun.

It depends on specific school district, but in general American schools encourage music education and have formal music classes and bands; our district has mandatory music classes since grade 1, three orchestra in middle school and two - in high school, jazz band, few choruses, etc. But IT wise - they offer only programming, web, and Photo-Video (Adobe) classes. I am positive my kids don't know even general principles of audio production for movies they watch. All they know is that there is such thing as digital piano, because we have one at home (and they play or tried playing piano, guitar, drums, trumpet, trombone, recorder). And how to use mics on stage.

MMaarrkk · Post by **MMaarrkk** » Mon May 11, 2020 8:20 pm

VladK wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 3:32 pm It depends on specific school district, but in general American schools encourage music education and have formal music classes and bands; our district has mandatory music classes since grade 1, three orchestra in middle school and two - in high school, jazz band, few choruses, etc. But IT wise - they offer only programming, web, and Photo-Video (Adobe) classes. I am positive my kids don't know even general principles of audio production for movies they watch. All they know is that there is such thing as digital piano, because we have one at home (and they play or tried playing piano, guitar, drums, trumpet, trombone, recorder). And how to use mics on stage.

It's an interesting point of comparison, as some European schools don't focus on bands whatsoever*, while others leave it as an after school club, both still including music education from around grade 2-4 onwards. Talking about this in-depth might be rather difficult, as once again it's per country/school basis. A trend with the Baltic state European schools is that every school has a specialization - it being any one subject, like mathematics, music, art, etc., so more music-oriented schools would offer the most when it comes to music education and the variety of activities.

*It's heavily encouraged to join an Art or Music school from the ages of 8-10, which provides proper additional tutoring when it comes to arts. These schools run alongside normal education and are completely optional, I'm not sure what would be a good American equivalent and/or maybe this exact thing exists.

freshalex · Post by **freshalex** » Mon May 11, 2020 8:49 pm

Germans are the "people of poets and thinkers/tinkerers" (Dichter und Denker) and the predecessor of EDM, the Marsch Musik (Strauss, etc.), is also deeply rooted in the European culture.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Mon May 11, 2020 9:19 pm

freshalex wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 8:49 pm Germans are the "people of poets and thinkers/tinkerers" (Dichter und Denker) and the predecessor of EDM, the Marsch Musik (Strauss, etc.), is also deeply rooted in the European culture.

This is a joke, right?

freshalex · Post by **freshalex** » Mon May 11, 2020 9:24 pm

Hi Crooner ... why do you ask? Have I expressed myself ambiguously, insultingly or ambiguously? I don't hope so!

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Mon May 11, 2020 9:36 pm

Marschmusik and EDM are pretty much the opposite of poets and thinkers.
And frankly, Germany's thinker and poet reputation is long gone, probably since the Holocaust.

freshalex · Post by **freshalex** » Mon May 11, 2020 9:46 pm

First of all, I am a strong advocate of what is good and right - and the thirties and forties are an evil and dark part of history - the darkest and the worst!

It is not quite fair of you to lead this now. Poet and thinker means good engineers with soft topics. Isn't that what this thread is about?

It can't be a coincidence that Logic, Cubase, Live, Bitwig and Natives come from here?

And of course dance music has developed from the marches, just as rap emerged from the blues...

At the end, Goethe and Beethoven still have their original value.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Mon May 11, 2020 10:05 pm

Poets and thinkers in my view stood for literature and philosophy, which is where Germans used to co-lead, centuries ago.

Germany is just a very minor player in the world of arts these days.

freshalex · Post by **freshalex** » Mon May 11, 2020 10:13 pm

That might be right ... but the question was why so many music softwares were coming out of europe. Germany is a part of europe and delivers a lot of 'major' music software ... significantly more than germany is large and significantly more than it has a share in the 'world's artistic performance', like you said ...

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Wed May 13, 2020 9:30 am

The simple reason is that Europeans have invented music and culture in general.

Pacific05 · Post by **Pacific05** » Wed May 13, 2020 10:21 am

In relation to the question, I think that the answer is in the development of electronic and experimental music.
France, Germany, a little bit of Spain, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands and Scandinavia, not to mention UK. All these countries have a strong tradition and schools (or scenes or whatever you want) for machines-related music and modern composition.
Yes, USA have many musicians and composers too, just like Japan. US are a country well-known for many other genres though, not surprisingly associated with an american imaginary (from songwriting/folk to earlier original hip hop).
One can debate why techno was born in Detroit and Chicago, but the roots of techno are european, once again (Germany, who would have thought!)

Why are most of these companies European?