do you use a laptop and if so... what do you use?

[Pacific05]

just a heads up since i was the one that started the thread...i have made a decision and hope it was the right one lol i ordered the new macbook pro 13 four port base model with the 10th gen chip, 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. my old Dell had a 640GB spinner that i never got close to filling up (used externals for libs and such) so i think the 512GB should suffice.

anyways i will post my opinion/review of the new lap if anyone is interested once i get it and get 'settled in' especially since this will be my first apple computer. cheers and thanks for all the input... it was appreciated.

I think you made a good choice, if 13" is not a problem. 512 gb are a huge space, and you can always add an external ssd for samples and other things, since Thunderbolt/USB-C connection is fast.

[MadDogE134]

well i am already having to use readers lol (old fart) so i may have to up my magnification but it IS larger than my ipad 10.5" thnx and cheers

[Pacific05]

Well, it's a big upgrade! Good luck, mate

[Jace-BeOS]

yeah i have been driving myself crazy the last few weeks trying to decide. it gives me headaches lol i don't want to spend that kind of money... but if i cut corners and save a buck in the long run i feel like i will be disappointed. i must be finally growing up lol... when i was young i would not give it a second thought. now that i am an old man... it is hard to let go of just one dollar.

I can relate to this, especially now that I’ve technically been in poverty for ten years. Cutting corners might result in less money spent, but also might result in less value in the long haul. If anything built today has a long haul any more...

[Jace-BeOS]

just a heads up since i was the one that started the thread...i have made a decision and hope it was the right one lol i ordered the new macbook pro 13 four port base model with the 10th gen chip, 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. my old Dell had a 640GB spinner that i never got close to filling up (used externals for libs and such) so i think the 512GB should suffice.

anyways i will post my opinion/review of the new lap if anyone is interested once i get it and get 'settled in' especially since this will be my first apple computer. cheers and thanks for all the input... it was appreciated.

I wish you well with it.

My girlfriend is struggling to decide if she should get a MBA or MBP 13” (she doesn’t want the cost of the 4-port MBP)...

...or get much more for her money by getting an iMac, which would stop her having mobile computing (she’s going to give her mom her old MBP to replace her mother’s irritatingly incompatible-with-everything Chromebook).

She’s not sure if she’s going to move in with me or not and still wants to travel to see her mom... I think she should get an iPad for mobile usage since the only intensive usage for computing she has is Logic.

Since I’ve recommended two devices, I’ve been recommending buying used (Apple refurb, or through Other World Computing) to save money, but she hates the idea of buying anything other than the most recent and newest if she’s going to spend any money at all.

[MadDogE134]

well to be honest thinking about 'saving' money i was looking at used macbooks and geez... for the most part even second hand they retain value unlike other laptops. that was probably the final nail in the coffin to help me decide. even if worse came to worse (no one knows the future) if i HAD to i could get SOME of my money back. lol people may argue about their value... but there IS a second hand market and that says something in itself. cheers

[Jace-BeOS]

Macbook Pro 2018
16GB Ram
500GB Storage + 500GB Samsung SSD Drive.
My Love-hate Relationship with Apple Continues .
My 2018 Macbook Pro is already having early symptoms of the Dreaded Keyboard Malfunction.
Certain Keys Repeat Twice, Most Often the Ones I Use the often For Patch Browsing On The Keyboard itself.
I am Under Apple-care until Late 2021 and even as it is Keyboards are Free Fixes now after the class action, but Grumpy that I need to do repairs on a Product as Expensive this is
I think its showing up now because since Im home all the time (Thanks Rona) my Furry Little Studio Guardian sleeps with me every day while Im working, right next to, or behind the Laptop. he's got tons of small dust and other kinds of particles in his Fur and thats probably whats getting into the Keyboard.

Hopefully An Apple Store near me Reopens soon

Edit: Other then the keyboard However I love this Computer. It's really An amazing device. Just the Little Things.

And those free repairs will eventually stop, possibly when they run out of parts, and they will always be replaced with the same self-destructing part, so... :-/

Hence the love/hate, yeah?

Sigh.

[Spencer Maddox]

Macbook Pro 2018
16GB Ram
500GB Storage + 500GB Samsung SSD Drive.
My Love-hate Relationship with Apple Continues .
My 2018 Macbook Pro is already having early symptoms of the Dreaded Keyboard Malfunction.
Certain Keys Repeat Twice, Most Often the Ones I Use the often For Patch Browsing On The Keyboard itself.
I am Under Apple-care until Late 2021 and even as it is Keyboards are Free Fixes now after the class action, but Grumpy that I need to do repairs on a Product as Expensive this is
I think its showing up now because since Im home all the time (Thanks Rona) my Furry Little Studio Guardian sleeps with me every day while Im working, right next to, or behind the Laptop. he's got tons of small dust and other kinds of particles in his Fur and thats probably whats getting into the Keyboard.

Hopefully An Apple Store near me Reopens soon

Edit: Other then the keyboard However I love this Computer. It's really An amazing device. Just the Little Things.

And those free repairs will eventually stop, possibly when they run out of parts, and they will always be replaced with the same self-destructing part, so... :-/

Hence the love/hate, yeah?

Sigh.

Yep!

It’s not even that bad at the moment: it’s not bad enough to really effect my life yet. The keys only sometimes repeat and it’s only once. I just know from what happened to thousands of others it’s gonna get worse. Like a cancer it’s just gonna spread. Tommorow it’s the H Key. Next month it’s the B key: then the real kicker hits and it’s something essential like the Spacebar or enter key. And I’ve been careful with this computer, if it is my cat then that’s Pathetic because literally nothing else in my studio, synth. Controller, computer, or otherwise, has been effected by his Nosiness

To add insult to injury last year they said screw it and just ripped out the keyboard and went back to the old kind. I shoulda waited a year but going into college again and foolishly believing
That the tiny little film they put around the keyboard would help the issues they had in the older ones.
*Siiiiiighhh*

I don’t know.
I might want to see much I can trade the MacBook in for the new one if I get everything cleaned and repaired. And how much they offer for the 2018 top end MacBook Pro in Trade in value for the new 2020 one might determine if I have a future with the Mac platform.
Because especially in this uncertain economic time I’m not spending 3200 on a laptop again...

And missing logic and the OS will suck but I’ll happily take my VSTs, Ableton, FL and go back to Windows if I feel I’m being screwed.

[Jace-BeOS]

Macbook Pro 2018
16GB Ram
500GB Storage + 500GB Samsung SSD Drive.
My Love-hate Relationship with Apple Continues .
My 2018 Macbook Pro is already having early symptoms of the Dreaded Keyboard Malfunction.
Certain Keys Repeat Twice, Most Often the Ones I Use the often For Patch Browsing On The Keyboard itself.
I am Under Apple-care until Late 2021 and even as it is Keyboards are Free Fixes now after the class action, but Grumpy that I need to do repairs on a Product as Expensive this is
I think its showing up now because since Im home all the time (Thanks Rona) my Furry Little Studio Guardian sleeps with me every day while Im working, right next to, or behind the Laptop. he's got tons of small dust and other kinds of particles in his Fur and thats probably whats getting into the Keyboard.

Hopefully An Apple Store near me Reopens soon

Edit: Other then the keyboard However I love this Computer. It's really An amazing device. Just the Little Things.

And those free repairs will eventually stop, possibly when they run out of parts, and they will always be replaced with the same self-destructing part, so... :-/

Hence the love/hate, yeah?

Sigh.

Yep!

It’s not even that bad at the moment: it’s not bad enough to really effect my life yet. The keys only sometimes repeat and it’s only once. I just know from what happened to thousands of others it’s gonna get worse. Like a cancer it’s just gonna spread. Tommorow it’s the H Key. Next month it’s the B key: then the real kicker hits and it’s something essential like the Spacebar or enter key. And I’ve been careful with this computer, if it is my cat then that’s Pathetic because literally nothing else in my studio, synth. Controller, computer, or otherwise, has been effected by his Nosiness

To add insult to injury last year they said screw it and just ripped out the keyboard and went back to the old kind. I shoulda waited a year but going into college again and foolishly believing
That the tiny little film they put around the keyboard would help the issues they had in the older ones.
*Siiiiiighhh*

I don’t know.
I might want to see much I can trade the MacBook in for the new one if I get everything cleaned and repaired. And how much they offer for the 2018 top end MacBook Pro in Trade in value for the new 2020 one might determine if I have a future with the Mac platform.
Because especially in this uncertain economic time I’m not spending 3200 on a laptop again...

And missing logic and the OS will suck but I’ll happily take my VSTs, Ableton, FL and go back to Windows if I feel I’m being screwed.

Good luck to you

I’m incapable of tolerating Windows any more. Mac OS would have to get mind-bogglingly bad before I considered Windows again (or PC hardware, for that matter).

And I’m not expecting Windows & PC hardware to get that much better, either. It’s just totally outside the industry culture. Sadly, MBA types have infiltrated Apple culture, and it is multiplied by their preexisting culture of insular arrogance.

[Spencer Maddox]

Good luck to you

I’m incapable of tolerating Windows any more. Mac OS would have to get mind-bogglingly bad before I considered Windows again (or PC hardware, for that matter).

And I’m not expecting Windows & PC hardware to get that much better, either. It’s just totally outside the industry culture. Sadly, MBA types have infiltrated Apple culture, and it is multiplied by their preexisting culture of insular arrogance.

Oh believe me I would not be ecstatic about dealing with windows again. I used the wrong term there with "Happily" given How many issues I have with Windows Just at the same time would Not want to spend A High Price again unless the economy stabled itself considerably and Thats not happening soon...

Ironically I have an Old Macbook 2010 I purchased second hand from an dude from my town a while ago, before I got the New one. It's Beaten Up, Missing Pieces of its padding (Those were Replaced), Dented, chemical spills of some sort on the Bottom, God knows how they got there. Keyboards been though Hell and back and you can see it on its Battle Scars, The dude who sold it to me Put a shiton of Malware on it that took a Week to damn clean .

But it Still works Perfectly. i mean Perfectly! Only problem is Apple dosen't allow you to update The OS on it anymore so I will NOT get the New Logic on There anytime soon, but it still literally runs perfectly. I know this would never happen but I wish they'd make them thicker like They were then again. Is it heavier? Yes. But they were sturdy as a Rock! All the issues Apple has created for themsleve's seems to stem from making these computers lighter and thinner. The Screen Flex issue, The Butterfly Keyboard disaster, Upsetting users by removing the USBA. I wish someone said if it wasn't broke don't fix it somewhere down the Line here...

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

2013 Dell dual 2.26 win7 Motu ultralite mk 3.

Does almost everything I want.. Reaktor hits it pretty hard.

I could mix anything on it.
It tracks what I need.
Probably another 5 years in it.

[Jace-BeOS]

Oh believe me I would not be ecstatic about dealing with windows again. I used the wrong term there with "Happily" given How many issues I have with Windows Just at the same time would Not want to spend A High Price again unless the economy stabled itself considerably and Thats not happening soon...

Ironically I have an Old Macbook 2010 I purchased second hand from an dude from my town a while ago, before I got the New one. It's Beaten Up, Missing Pieces of its padding (Those were Replaced), Dented, chemical spills of some sort on the Bottom, God knows how they got there. Keyboards been though Hell and back and you can see it on its Battle Scars, The dude who sold it to me Put a shiton of Malware on it that took a Week to damn clean .

But it Still works Perfectly. i mean Perfectly! Only problem is Apple dosen't allow you to update The OS on it anymore so I will NOT get the New Logic on There anytime soon, but it still literally runs perfectly. I know this would never happen but I wish they'd make them thicker like They were then again. Is it heavier? Yes. But they were sturdy as a Rock! All the issues Apple has created for themsleve's seems to stem from making these computers lighter and thinner. The Screen Flex issue, The Butterfly Keyboard disaster, Upsetting users by removing the USBA. I wish someone said if it wasn't broke don't fix it somewhere down the Line here...

Fully agreed (though my girlfriend’s 2010 MBP 13” has a dead WiFi radio, and she somehow damaged the trackpad’s functionality by crying over it some years back).

Apple’s thin obsession is pathological, just like their flat minimalist UI design.

I blame Jony Ive. A new version of Logic came out yesterday; it keeps getting uglier, and I’m sure the design rules were dictated before Jonathan Ive left Apple.

I hope someone else reverses these trends at Apple, but Tim Cook isn’t design-savvy, nor a details person. He barely understands computing. I do like his sociopolitical policies, but, otherwise, he’s probably the toxic MBA “leadership” at Apple.

I wasn’t a fan of Jobs as a human being, but he had strong vision and his intolerance for poor workmanship clearly had an impact. The Apple of 2007 through 2012 were causing the whole computer industry to be forced to catch up (it even helped the PC world improve somewhat). But that’s over, as of 2013 when iOS 7 came out and excellence and expertise died at Apple.

Jobs made mistakes, but not *this* many. I’m thinking of his infamous “you should be ashamed of yourselves” rant years ago at a meeting that was leaked by various insiders... I can’t imagine how he would excoriate the people currently in project manager positions today.

[FapFilter]

I'm really curious what people are always doing with their systems that Windows is always crapping out on them
After XP i never had a single issue and even that was ok.
My current laptop is from 2010 and i haven't had to do anything at all regarding maintenance.
Hardware also never failed on me except one HDD when i accidentally dropped my previous laptop from the table when i tripped over the power cord.

[MadDogE134]

well only speaking from my experiences... the biggest problem with windows 'crapping out' is from improper shutdowns which is not always the operator's fault or under their control. for example... faulty vid drivers locking the system forcing a 'hard' boot (having to hold in the power button until the system shuts off) or 'blue screens of death' and no way to shut down other than again holding in the power button to kill power to just simple power outages while the system is up. if the windows system is improperly shutdown there is a chance you will lose needed data which will keep the system from booting back up and when that happens your only recourse if you don't have a mirrored back up is to reformat and redo the whole installation. i have probably had to do this over 100 times for friends and family that knew nothing about computers other than turning them on and using them. not everyone is 'computer savy' i have noticed since the advent of win10 that abrupt power shutoff is not the major problem it once was. since win10 i have had far less people asking for help lol but there are MANY things that could force an improper shutdown and it is not ALWAYS 'operator error'. but it is STILL not good to improperly shutdown any computer system.

i will say i am very new to the apple OS so i don't know if they ever had this problem but i tend to doubt they have because many things in that eco-system is 'class compliant' meaning you don't have the need or use drivers like on windows' system.

but again... this is only from my life's experience on PCs and windows' systems

[FapFilter]

personally, i never ever had a blue screen on Win 7, but from what i remember from XP, where i had it a few times, those actually never had any permanent consequences other than the system asking me during the first boot up after that if i wanted to start Windows in secure mode (or however it was called) that was it.
And i'm also not so sure about incorrect shutdowns only affecting Windows.
I remember getting my dad angry a few times when i was on his Unix PC without permission as kid and i didn't know the shutdown command for it so i just used the power switch to turn it off and he always found out, because he then had to fix what i have done
That was before Windows was a thing for the masses though.