Wavetable Synth Poll 2020
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PRODUCTS Ableton Wavetable Presets and Racks Empyrean (U-he Zebra 2 Presets) Europa Pro Expansion Omnisphere Explorer - Omnisphere 2 Presets Phase Plant Bass Expansion (Phase Plant Presets) Phase Plant Synth Expansion (Phase Plant Presets) Quarantine - Massive X Presets Serum Bass - Presets For Serum Serum Pads - Presets For Serum Serum Synths - Presets For Xfer Serum Universal - Dune 3 Presets Wavetable Hive Presets
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11054 posts since 12 May, 2008
Tough choice between Icarus and ANA2 for me because they sound so different. Icarus has a very clean digital sound, almost additive sounding, whereas ANA2 has got a rough gritty sound that's hard to find elsewhere.
I'm surprised to see so many votes for Pigments. I love it for granular but never found it's wavetable oscillator near as pleasing as most other wavetable synths.
I'm surprised to see so many votes for Pigments. I love it for granular but never found it's wavetable oscillator near as pleasing as most other wavetable synths.
- KVRAF
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
With Icarus, I mostly find myself using its granular resynthesis feature. I mean, it's not really granular, but it is unique and does things that no other synth does. For true granular resynthesis, see Parawave Rapid.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 3:04 pm Tough choice between Icarus and ANA2 for me because they sound so different. Icarus has a very clean digital sound, almost additive sounding, whereas ANA2 has got a rough gritty sound that's hard to find elsewhere.
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- 15961 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Interesting, I've never heard anything that employed wavetables specifically for "wildest screaming sounds". That's something I'd always be looked to a combination of cross-modulation and my filter for. I tend to associate wavetables with mild pad-like sounds that evolve slowly over time so I'd be interested in hearing some of that other stuff. Can you point me to any factory patches, I can always download a demo version if it's a synth I don't have.DJ Warmonger wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:40 pmSometimes I want to go crazy with wavetables and create wildest screaming sounds, but sometimes all I need is saw, square and sine oscillator. Sometimes I want to do FM or hard sync kind of sounds, or something entirely different. I enjoy synths and I pick them with some initial idea in mind.
Sadly, that's the easiest approach with DUNE, it's not exactly easy to get complex with from scratch.More often than not I just use Dune for presets and not for ground-up sound design. So it doesn't matter at all if any wavetables are there.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11054 posts since 12 May, 2008
For true granular, it’s pretty hard to beat Pigments actually. One of the best granular engines out there.teilo wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:00 pmWith Icarus, I mostly find myself using its granular resynthesis feature. I mean, it's not really granular, but it is unique and does things that no other synth does. For true granular resynthesis, see Parawave Rapid.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 3:04 pm Tough choice between Icarus and ANA2 for me because they sound so different. Icarus has a very clean digital sound, almost additive sounding, whereas ANA2 has got a rough gritty sound that's hard to find elsewhere.
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
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- KVRAF
- 14994 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I picked Dune 3. I love it, all the new filters. Very easy to use and get good results. However, there are a lot of wavetable synths that I love and get use out of. Omnisphere, Falcon, are great because they’re synthesis playgrounds. Zebra 2 is still amazing and flexible. Icarus seems to be amazing at turning any sample into an amazing wavetable with ease that I can never find in Serum, but Serum is still great. PPG 3 has such a great vibe and in some ways sounds even better than the original. Massive X popped out and that one is amazing too... so many great options.
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- KVRAF
- 14994 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Really, in what way is it difficult? Seems very straight forward to me, though I admit I’ve not used the wavetable creation features yet.
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- 15961 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Wavetables are a good example. In DUNE you have to select the osc you want to change, then select WT as the osc type before you can start to do anything. In Thorn, by way of comparison, you don't have to do either of those things before you can select an oscillator waveform. And in DUNE you can never see both osc waveforms at once, whereas in Thorn all three are simultaneously visible all the time.
Another example is adding velocity modulation. In Thorn it is on the front panel, with the envelopes, which is exactly where you'd most likely need it. In DUNE it is in Settings, so you have to switch the panel display or use the Mod Matrix. Either way is more work and less intuitive. And that's just a single layer, if you are trying to edit a preset that's got 4 or 5 layers, it becomes exponentially more of a pain, and all for no good reason, as it is trivial to add 4 or 5 instances if you need to layer sounds.
Another example is adding velocity modulation. In Thorn it is on the front panel, with the envelopes, which is exactly where you'd most likely need it. In DUNE it is in Settings, so you have to switch the panel display or use the Mod Matrix. Either way is more work and less intuitive. And that's just a single layer, if you are trying to edit a preset that's got 4 or 5 layers, it becomes exponentially more of a pain, and all for no good reason, as it is trivial to add 4 or 5 instances if you need to layer sounds.
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- KVRAF
- 5511 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
I voted for Pigments because it's the only one I own.
I have no idea how to use it though.
I bought it on a $49 special hoping it had some usable pad presets.
I have no idea how to use it though.
I bought it on a $49 special hoping it had some usable pad presets.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
I'm demoing ANA 2 now. I must say I'm really impressed with it. The sound quality is great. It can do many kinds of sounds and switching fast is very easy. I've spent only about 15 mins and I feel I can tweak the sounds to make them what I want! This is a very difficult balance between ease of use and features.
It sounds more pleasant than Synthmaster and I can say it is up there with Dune 3 but with much more intuitive user interface.
And ... I bought it It is discounted heavily now and for 49 pounds it is from the best bargains available!
It sounds more pleasant than Synthmaster and I can say it is up there with Dune 3 but with much more intuitive user interface.
And ... I bought it It is discounted heavily now and for 49 pounds it is from the best bargains available!
- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
Besides being a big fan of wavetable synths i got a Wavestation EX since 2004 and the plugin since 2006 and and am a big fan of that synth too.
Indeed the Wavestation wave sequencing can replicate wavetable sounds but it could also go beyond that.
In each step of a wave sequence you can choose either single cycle waveforms or samples while wavetables only include single cycles.
Opposing to wavetables those wave sequencing parameters can be adjusted for each step/wave:
- Sample or single cycle waveform
- length of the step
- coarse tuning
- fine tuning
- crossfading amount
(- volume/level) -> also possible with wavetables but not as simple as in wave sequencing
In wavetables each waveform has the same length and pitch and crossfading is a global parameter for all waveforms in a table.
Some wavetable synths do not have an adjustable crossfading amount or no crossfading at all like e.g. Xfer Serum. This is a reason why in Serum you need many more wavetable steps for a smooth transition than in a wavetable synth with crossfading. Actually in a wavetable synth with good crossfading/interpolation you can get a smooth transition/morphing of waveforms with just 2 waveforms. Same is true about the crossfaing feature in the Wavestation where 2 waves/samples might already give nice results.
Adjusting the level/volume of waveforms in a table is possible in certain wavetable editors. In the Wavestation this can be adjusted for each step/wave.
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- KVRAF
- 4379 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
^ There ya go, thanks.
So my fave wavetable synth is Korg Wavestation, also not on the list.
So my fave wavetable synth is Korg Wavestation, also not on the list.
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- KVRAF
- 4590 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
Alright, but you can generate 256-frame wavetable on the fly.Some wavetable synths do not have an adjustable crossfading amount or no crossfading at all like e.g. Xfer Serum. This is a reason why in Serum you need many more wavetable steps for a smooth transition than in a wavetable synth with crossfading.
Yes, there is no simple crossfade since wavetables are conected to FFT synthesizer engine which generates them on demand and not in real time.
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- KVRAF
- 35437 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
The Wavestation is a wavesequencing (or vector synthesis) synth though, not a wavetable synth. I assume you can get similar tones out of it, but, in its core, the synthesis method is different.