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e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Sat May 16, 2020 8:56 pm

I do understand that he thinks there is some mandatory relationship between q and resonance, but I don't think there is. I can pick any resonance slope I want. Maybe it was different with hardware, but on the computer it is all just calculations.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat May 16, 2020 8:58 pm

It's not necessarily mandatory, but in a lot of filters resonance is just expressed as 1/Q factor...

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Sat May 16, 2020 9:07 pm

Found a diagram on this topic, it seems Q means something else in this context, not what it means in the case of an equalizer where you can freely set Q, separate from the gain.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/aas-media/manu ... owpass.png

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Sat May 16, 2020 10:28 pm

rasmusklump wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 7:22 pm
Cinebient wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 8:01 pm When i read this thread my interest in the synth goes to zero, thank you guys
Worst beta team ever
Exactly my thoughts.
I wouldn't buy this even for 10,00 because of Bones, Wagtunes and AnX

Wait until it arrives and form your own opinion.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Sat May 16, 2020 10:56 pm

It may seem unthinkable on KVR, but.... yes.

I for one can't wait for its release.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun May 17, 2020 5:30 am

e-crooner wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 6:12 pmAnyway, judging from your description that what might make the difference with the Korg is that it might have a wider Q area for the resonance. I know, Q is typically used for equalizers, but in a way a filter is also an equalizer. (Oddly, I have never seen a filter, where one could not only set the resonance, but also the q value for the resonance.)

I know I've seen one, can't remember what it was, though. Back in the day, "Q" was often used to label the resonance pot on a synth. And you are probably correct because I've also found that synths with a wider Q do tend to sound better, Wasp in Orion being a great example. And whilst "Q" might have some specific mathematical meaning, I understand perfectly what you are talking about here.

No, the cutoff frequency does not necessarily start at zero when using a filter envelope.

It does if you turn the cutoff down to zero, which was part of what I explained in my method.

"that fat, squelchy sound", well, I have heard it and frankly, I would not know what to do with it, it does not sound musical to me.

Then you have overdone it. The sound I am talking about is like the bassline in this (the one that comes in at 37 seconds) -

I don't like normal resonance, either, that irritating whistle sound.

Again, that will depend on the filter. In Moog ladder filter, the Q seems quite narrow so you get this disconnected squeal that sound awful but on a filter with a wider Q, the resonance is more just a part of the timbre and can make a bass part more audible in the mix. Of course, what you want to achieve in that situation is to make it more audible without losing the bottom end thump, which is why I hate ladder filters so much.

I never set it beyond 3/4 on my synth because it sounds unpleasant to me. Usually, I remain within the first 25% or so, only to give the sound a slightly different character, the nasal touch.

I rarely go beyond 40% myself but, again, with a ladder filter you don't really get much of anything happening below about half-way, so setting it at 25% will often make no difference at all. It will be most noticeable if you are modulating the cutoff with an envelope but if you are just trying to get some extra harmonics into a drone or a pad, you really have to crank it.

I think your negative view of the Minimoog is unjustified. There is a reason why it has been used on zillions on records.

Yes, because it was cheap and available. Nobody held onto them once better synths came along. i.e. I bet you can't find a mainstream recording from 1985 with a Minimoog on it. As I've said before, I started going to see bands in 1979 and I have never in my life seen a Minimoog on stage. Lots of OB's, Prophets, Pro-Ones, MS20s, Jupiter 8s and the occasional ARP Odyssey (Magazine and Ultravox, no less) but never a Minimoog.

It's not that someone or a studio that can afford a Minimoog can't afford an MS20. Yet, the Minimoog has been more popular.

The Minimoog was available a full 8 years before the MS20 and when it came out it had literally no competitors, so of course it got a lot of use for a period of time. I've never seen a new one in a shop, only old ones that had been traded in on newer, better synths. And those trade-ins often sat in shops for years. Once there was competition, Minimoog disappeared pretty quickly.

tony10000 · Post by **tony10000** » Sun May 17, 2020 6:03 am

" I bet you can't find a mainstream recording recording from 1985 with a Minimoog on it. As I've said before, I started going to see bands in 1979 and I have never in my life seen a Minimoog on stage. Lots of OB's, Prophets, Pro-Ones, MS20s, Jupiter 8s and the occasional ARP Odyssey (Magazine and Ultravox, no less) but never a Minimoog."

https://www.redbull.com/us-en/7-classic ... oog-synths

https://reverb.com/news/10-musicians-wh ... f-all-time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... er_players

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Sun May 17, 2020 8:29 am

Calenberger wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 7:23 pm OBE = Out of Body Experience
would be suitable as well.

It's wisest to remain in the body permanently, until it expires.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:32 am

Ingonator wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 7:19 pm
Ingonator wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 6:42 pm IMHO the name that was selected for the plugin is quite OBvious...
Hoefully the name of the plugin will never fall into OBlivion...

Obelix?

FapFilter · Post by **FapFilter** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:46 am

OBsession

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:48 am

Obesity

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:53 am

recursive one wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 9:32 am
Ingonator wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 7:19 pm
Ingonator wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 6:42 pm IMHO the name that was selected for the plugin is quite OBvious...
Hoefully the name of the plugin will never fall into OBlivion...
Obelix?

Obelix would be a really cool name for an Oberheim plugin.

It also includes 3 of the 4 letters in OB-Xa.

Calenberger · Post by **Calenberger** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:54 am

Oberschurke?

Calenberger · Post by **Calenberger** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:55 am

Oberon?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:56 am

OBama

Yes we can!!

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