eBay not actively monitoring warez
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- KVRist
- 408 posts since 21 Feb, 2017
Why is it that eBay as a multi billion dollar company, doesn't even pretend to do some active checking on goods being sold? I was just searching for used copy of a plugin that I want (license transfer and all that), when I noticed a obvious warez version. The price alone is very often an indicator, but this time the item was almost a kin to a filename. It had the name of plugin, version number and "WIN" for platform.
EBay certainly seems to profit from this negligence, is that why they're not doing anything actively shut down the warez? Shouldn't this be illegal, if proven that they only react on reports? Is there no legal requirement for them to do some monitoring of their own, when it's painfully obvious they certainly are not doing any?
I'm asking because I know there must be ton of people reporting ton of illegitimate goods (in our case, warez plugins, but I'm sure its not the only category suffering from this), so you would think they would know by now quite easily how to detect these fraudulent products.
EBay certainly seems to profit from this negligence, is that why they're not doing anything actively shut down the warez? Shouldn't this be illegal, if proven that they only react on reports? Is there no legal requirement for them to do some monitoring of their own, when it's painfully obvious they certainly are not doing any?
I'm asking because I know there must be ton of people reporting ton of illegitimate goods (in our case, warez plugins, but I'm sure its not the only category suffering from this), so you would think they would know by now quite easily how to detect these fraudulent products.
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- KVRAF
- 35678 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
And just because you found a (assumedly) warezed plugin there, you think that they don't actively monitor for warez, or stolen goods?
Report it, if you think there's something funky. They can't be everywhere.
Report it, if you think there's something funky. They can't be everywhere.
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 4330 posts since 20 Feb, 2004
My recent experience is that eBay has some very questionable/objectionable policies and practices which make me question the integrity of the company overall. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they aren't actively/effectively monitoring warez. I've noticed several times where blatant warez was being listed.
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- KVRAF
- 6113 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America
Why? Because it makes them money and they’re not liable for what’s on there. Just like every dogdamned other corporate beast.
There are LITERALLY FAKE FireWire-to-USB adapters for sale on there and on Amazon. These things will, at best, do nothing and, at worst, DAMAGE your equipment. Report it and... nothing happens.
Laissez-faire capitalism is cancer. “Public” ownership/Wall Street is cancer.
There are LITERALLY FAKE FireWire-to-USB adapters for sale on there and on Amazon. These things will, at best, do nothing and, at worst, DAMAGE your equipment. Report it and... nothing happens.
Laissez-faire capitalism is cancer. “Public” ownership/Wall Street is cancer.
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- KVRAF
- 3086 posts since 4 May, 2012
You could when I last checked but there were strict rules that need to be followed - including only listing under one specific category. If it is your own software then you will have to pay for sale of multiple copies - same as with material goods when using a single listing to sell copies.Kongru wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:04 am As far as I'm aware eBay doesn't allow digital (software) sales. Everytime I list a plugin on there it gets removed.
Ever since Amazon started their "market place" it all went downhill. So many reviews talk about fake products - not being as advertised. I guess they really did create a market place. Authentic experience with plenty of "Mickey Mouse" gear.Jace-BeOS wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:48 pm Why? Because it makes them money and they’re not liable for what’s on there. Just like every dogdamned other corporate beast.
There are LITERALLY FAKE FireWire-to-USB adapters for sale on there and on Amazon. These things will, at best, do nothing and, at worst, DAMAGE your equipment. Report it and... nothing happens.
Laissez-faire capitalism is cancer. “Public” ownership/Wall Street is cancer.
- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
Amazon also turns a blind eye to people using their prime accounts to sell items on ebay and drop ship directly from Amazon.Jace-BeOS wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 4:48 pm Why? Because it makes them money and they’re not liable for what’s on there. Just like every dogdamned other corporate beast.
There are LITERALLY FAKE FireWire-to-USB adapters for sale on there and on Amazon. These things will, at best, do nothing and, at worst, DAMAGE your equipment. Report it and... nothing happens.
Laissez-faire capitalism is cancer. “Public” ownership/Wall Street is cancer.
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
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- KVRian
- 1020 posts since 4 Jun, 2006
I have to admit I don't know anything about warez or how to identify it, but my other main hobby besides playing guitar and building effects, is collecting books, many of which I buy through eBay.
EBay got really bad for deceptive selling for a while, and then about, I can't remember exactly, maybe 6 or so years ago, they tightened up their rating system for sellers—the thing was, this sent all of the bumskiff's fleeing to Amazon and Abebooks, and neither Amazon or Abebooks, police their respective marketplaces.
This dropshipping model, in my view, amounts to nothing short of perpetuating fraud where vintage books are concerned, and I have told Abebooks this more than once, usually when threatening to put in a fraud claim through my bank. I have been ripped on Abebooks a few times, and only use it now when I have to. I prefer eBay, and occasionally, Amazon, but I don’t like Amazons communication platform, it is very clunky when contacting the seller for extra photo's and info.
The frustrating aspect is that these dropshipper lice really hang a cloud over the marketplace. Take them out of the picture, and there are some really great traders.
I never return anything, so I haven't tackled that side of eBay; with books, unless I paid hundreds for it, it is generally not worth returning because of the price of international postage, and if it is hundreds, I try to establish the quality of the product before purchasing because of the international postage thing.
EBay got really bad for deceptive selling for a while, and then about, I can't remember exactly, maybe 6 or so years ago, they tightened up their rating system for sellers—the thing was, this sent all of the bumskiff's fleeing to Amazon and Abebooks, and neither Amazon or Abebooks, police their respective marketplaces.
This dropshipping model, in my view, amounts to nothing short of perpetuating fraud where vintage books are concerned, and I have told Abebooks this more than once, usually when threatening to put in a fraud claim through my bank. I have been ripped on Abebooks a few times, and only use it now when I have to. I prefer eBay, and occasionally, Amazon, but I don’t like Amazons communication platform, it is very clunky when contacting the seller for extra photo's and info.
The frustrating aspect is that these dropshipper lice really hang a cloud over the marketplace. Take them out of the picture, and there are some really great traders.
I never return anything, so I haven't tackled that side of eBay; with books, unless I paid hundreds for it, it is generally not worth returning because of the price of international postage, and if it is hundreds, I try to establish the quality of the product before purchasing because of the international postage thing.
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- KVRAF
- 5641 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
There was one guy selling illegal "OEM" copies of our software at eBay for a year without being noticed and he made about $300 off it. I had to fill a DMCA to copyright@ebay.com and they solved the issue in a matter of hours. Sadly monitoring stuff like this is still a copyright owner responsibility. This person was also selling illegal "OEM" from other companies so I simply contacted the developers and pointed out.
- Banned
- 10729 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
Kongru wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:04 am As far as I'm aware eBay doesn't allow digital (software) sales. Everytime I list a plugin on there it gets removed.
really? didn't know it wasn't allowed
prob why I see lots when searching for hardware synths, they obviously hide it by listing in the wrong category
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- KVRAF
- 5641 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
I don't think so. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=discodsp&_sacat=0Kongru wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:04 am As far as I'm aware eBay doesn't allow digital (software) sales
- KVRian
- 932 posts since 26 Nov, 2010
That's weird. Every time I'm searching eBäh for Software I'll come across at least one (but usually many) low low price offers suggerating a perpetual license, providing a download link and blah.
Well why buy a Softube plugin for $XXX if you can have the whole (previously cracked) bundle for $2.99 .. yeaaaayyyyy.
There must be a market for this, because these scumbags are in fact seeling.
eBay is full of shit and supporting warez left and right.
Well why buy a Softube plugin for $XXX if you can have the whole (previously cracked) bundle for $2.99 .. yeaaaayyyyy.
There must be a market for this, because these scumbags are in fact seeling.
eBay is full of shit and supporting warez left and right.
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- KVRAF
- 5641 posts since 18 Jul, 2002
And why not point the developer to the auction instead to get a report and ban the seller? It will be a matter of weeks to get eBay clean of illegal copies that way. Nobody cares I guess.