Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession

[Aliens]

RePro 5 is too big for me

those GUIs are just as square as these ones.

Okay.

[mholloway]

If there is anything that bugs the bejeesus out of me with Legend and Obsession, it is having shit on the back panel. It drives me f**king nuts constantly going back and forth. At least the RePros don't have that problem.

It could be argued that the 'tweaks' page of the Repro is no different really, but perhaps those controls are less 'common use' than the stuff on the back-page of Obsession. Though I do toggle it frequently, as I make extensive use of the per-voice pan trimmers.

[Teksonik]

No one else has explained why the Legend/Obsession framework is bad.

Apart from it not looking like the thing it's based on, and bad hasn't really come up, has it? It's more like a little wtf is that vibe.
It may sound great, so that will be it's saving grace anyway, no matter what it looks like, even for those who were hoping for a full on Obx-a experience. I wouldn't discount it on looks alone, that would be stupid, especially as some photo realistic guis have awful synth engines underneath, but if there were a choice of designs, it would be interesting to see which was downloaded most.

Obsession is not a 1:1 clone of the OBX-A so there's no need for the GUI to be a 1:1 copy.

Case in point the annoying lines which while looking stylish on the hardware are simply a distraction on the software. The Arturia version being proof of that.

For the record I'm a huge fan of photo realistic hardware like GUIs but just as with The Legend GUI which is not a 1:1 copy of a MiniMoog I don't have a problem with Obession not looking exactly like the hardware.

Let's wait for the demo then we can discuss the actual GUI and not just a brief glimpse of part of it in a video.

[Aliens]

No one else has explained why the Legend/Obsession framework is bad.

Apart from it not looking like the thing it's based on, and bad hasn't really come up, has it? It's more like a little wtf is that vibe.
It may sound great, so that will be it's saving grace anyway, no matter what it looks like, even for those who were hoping for a full on Obx-a experience. I wouldn't discount it on looks alone, that would be stupid, especially as some photo realistic guis have awful synth engines underneath, but if there were a choice of designs, it would be interesting to see which was downloaded most.

Obsession is not a 1:1 clone of the OBX-A so there's no need for the GUI to be a 1:1 copy.

Case in point the annoying lines which while looking stylish on the hardware are simply a distraction on the software. The Arturia version being proof of that.

For the record I'm a huge fan of photo realistic hardware like GUIs but just as with The Legend GUI which is not a 1:1 copy of a MiniMoog I don't have a problem with Obession not looking exactly like the hardware.

Let's wait for the demo then we can discuss the actual GUI and not just a brief glimpse of part of it in a video.

Not saying you are, but let's not do this 'because I have said one thing it means I also mean this as well'.
I don't mind it not being 1:1 gui, don't mind it being keyboard less, and certainly couldn't care less about blue lines, in fact, you couldn't quote me stating anything contrary to that, even if you wanted to. I get that Synapse probably wanted a point of difference between the sonic projects and free versions.

I'll demo both when they both available and test, sure, the sound is what it's ultimately about, but we have seen the gui layout, we can see it's very dissimilar to an Obx-a, so fair topic for discussion given there's a direct competitor, but still my main concern is - I hope the Memorymoog isn't in the same format. It wouldn't stop me from buying it, but I'd always be thinking it was a missed opportunity for something special (shallow as that may be).

[BONES]

Why? If it's usable and intuitive, what does it matter? I think OBSsession is way easier to work with than Legend, which suffers badly from the stupid way the Minimoog was set-up.

RePro 5 is too big for me

those GUIs are just as square as these ones.

Okay.

Are you f**king serious? Do I have to take screen shots and show you that they all have pretty much the same aspect ratio? Is that where your level of disconnect from reality is?

It could be argued that the 'tweaks' page of the Repro is no different really, but perhaps those controls are less 'common use' than the stuff on the back-page of Obsession. Though I do toggle it frequently, as I make extensive use of the per-voice pan trimmers.

What I hate about the tweaks in the RePros is that I have no idea what they are or what I am supposed to do with them. One day I might bother to RTFM but that stuff is seriously unintuitive and a royal pain to even look at. But I can use the RePros without having to deal with that stuff, the same can't be said for the back panel of Legend or OBSsession.

[Aliens]

Are you f**king serious? Do I have to take screen shots and show you that they all have pretty much the same aspect ratio? Is that where your level of disconnect from reality is?

Go ahead with the screen shots, or concede Urs is better with fitting a lot of info into the same space Synapse does, I don't mind either way.

[Teksonik]

I don't mind it not being 1:1 gui, don't mind it being keyboard less, and certainly couldn't care less about blue lines, in fact, you couldn't quote me stating anything contrary to that, even if you wanted to.

Apart from it not looking like the thing it's based on

Kind of ambiguous....

I hope the Memorymoog isn't in the same format. It wouldn't stop me from buying it, but I'd always be thinking it was a missed opportunity for something special (shallow as that may be).

There may not even be a MemoryMoog emulation from Synapse and if there is there's no guarantee that it will use the same GUI framework as Legend/Obession.

My point remains that if continuing to use that framework allows Synapse to produce plugins at a faster rate then I say we all win since I'm a fan of their work.

[AnX]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe The Legend came out as a Reason Rack Extension first (the VSTi followed shortly thereafter).

wrong

[tony10000]

Another far less expensive competitor that runs in Halion SE and sounds quite good. I can't wait to hear a shootout between the various OB emulations out there:

https://new.steinberg.net/rast-a/

I have HALion 6, think it's a wonderful product, but no way in hell does this sound like an OB-Xa. It sounds nice, don't get me wrong. But even they say it's not meant to be a one to one emulation and it's not. I can get these sounds right now out of my HALion 6 without buying Rast-A.

I'm confused as to how it's modeled inside Halion 6. They say it's modeled on the OB, oscs and filters. But it would have to be sampled, or use wavetables or the built-in oscs so I don't understand what's going on there.

HALion 6 has the capability of creating custom instruments. It's not for me because you need incredible patience and skill, kind of like with Reaktor. But it can be done.

With what functions? I used to own Halion 6. Every synth was just a front end for the existing oscillators and filters. There are the VA oscs, wavetable/resynthesis osc and sample/granular oscs. You can't model filters or oscillators in any module I knew about.

The Oberheim OBs used VCOs, VCAs, EGs, and VCFs. The exact same or similar chips were used in most synths of that era: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEM_and_S ... nthesizers

[Aliens]

Kind of ambiguous....

Not really, though, is it? If you look at the gui without knowing what it was, an Obx-a wouldn't be top of most peoples guesses.

Despite the number of posts I've made, which have 99% been replies, I'm not really that invested in the product, and though I'm selective on what I buy in wanting the best sounding unit, Vsti's are just discretionary purchases to me.

[AnX]

so, he put up a teaser..... at least it's out there now

shame the gui looks so crap in the video, looks great here on the pc

of course, it wont be to everyone's taste, im just glad it doesnt look like the original, i wouldnt be able to use it

layout wise, I'm used to it, found it very easy to pick up (but then I havent used the other soft versions)

not everyone is going to like the gui, that's way too subjective for everyone to agree on, but im pretty sure they will love the sound


carry on

[Aliens]

Top post, Dave.

[vitocorleone123]

One of the best part of the OB-6 desktop aesthetics are the minimal use of blue lines vs the keyboard version. I definitely don’t need blue lines to make me hear Oberheim, though I bet the more blue lines there are, the more “vintage” it sounds.... heh.

As long as OBsession isn’t horrible to look at, which it isn’t, then what matters is 1) the sound, and 2) the usability of the synth.

[Stringzy]

color scheme just doesn't work. no win here. it's weird, unbalanced contrast, it's just wrong.

it would benefit from a darker blue background, darker knobs. neon lights would look better with shadows reflecting on darker surfaces. you should have went with the hardware OB-Xa color scheme, skip the lines.

I trust win is in the sound.

[Teksonik]

color scheme just doesn't work. no win here. it's weird, unbalanced contrast, it's just wrong.

You're basing all that on a short, highly processed Video ? Wouldn't you want to see the actual GUI before passing judgment