How's Reaper's MIDI?

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dermichl
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292 posts since 11 Jan, 2014

Post Sat May 23, 2020 11:21 am

When I tried R I had a very hard time to figure out why a Midi clip changed its length when I changed the overall tempo. I was told that there was a setting for this. I never understood why one bar in say 85 bpm should not be a bar long in say 92 bpm...

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TheMaestro
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299 posts since 26 Jan, 2020

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 11:25 am

dermichl wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:21 am
When I tried R I had a very hard time to figure out why a Midi clip changed its length when I changed the overall tempo. I was told that there was a setting for this. I never understood why one bar in say 85 bpm should not be a bar long in say 92 bpm...
I’m quite sure that’s not a default Reaper behavior.
With audio clips, you need to find the setting that keeps the length/pitch regardless of tempo.
If the Earth was flat, cats would have pushed everything off the edge a long time ago.

dermichl
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292 posts since 11 Jan, 2014

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 11:57 am

TheMaestro wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:25 am
dermichl wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:21 am
When I tried R I had a very hard time to figure out why a Midi clip changed its length when I changed the overall tempo. I was told that there was a setting for this. I never understood why one bar in say 85 bpm should not be a bar long in say 92 bpm...
I’m quite sure that’s not a default Reaper behavior.
With audio clips, you need to find the setting that keeps the length/pitch regardless of tempo.
It was back then. Some users tried to explain to me why this would be a usefull setting. But I failed to see their point. I did never ever bother again...

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NAD
KVRian
1247 posts since 28 Jan, 2004

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 12:21 pm

trtzbass wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:14 am
You'd be surprised how some platforms have little timing inconsistencies that happen randomly and and are caused by how the software decides to read the timestamp of the note. I've had that in Cubase, of all the DAWs. I'd listen back to what I played and think "Well my timing sucks but not this much!". Some notes were way ahead of the beat, A quick research and activating the option "Use System Timestamp" solved the issue but all that showed me that, yes, even the most advanced DAWs have that kind of issue. Hence my question here.
That's surprising, I honestly had no idea. I guess with my terrible playing I always expect to have to do heavy quantizing and editing. I wonder how one would even go about reliably testing that in different DAWS?
trtzbass wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:14 am
I really like the tweaking aspect of Reaper. I actually like it too much to the point that it becomes an incredible excuse to procrastinate. Every time I open the thing I find myself spending too much time tinkering instead of making music, so there is that.
Well I'm no stranger to procrastination so I can definitely relate to that! (8-bar loop anyone? :dog: ) Fortunately however I've found I've reached a point of diminishing returns where I can no longer find much fault with how things are set up (at least with regards to Reaper settings, though not necessarily with obsessively testing new plugins that I don't need or wasting time discussing them in bottomless internet forums...)
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digitalboytn
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1770 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 1:59 pm

NERF_PROTOSS wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 2:48 am

the inclusion of an events filter makes it more powerful for anyone who needs to do actual complex editing
That events filter gets a serious workout here, especially when I'm working with MIDI and it's great :tu:

To the OP....

You don't have to spend all of your time playing around with the customisation of the actual program itself....

That just wastes valuable production time...

One you have the basic workflow happening and you are more conversant with the program,you will only tweak a few small details to further refine the program for your specific needs....

Unless of course,you want to spend all of your time looking at the car and not driving it :wink:
Sorry - I don't use auto-tune....

Danilo Villanova
KVRist
340 posts since 30 Apr, 2018

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 2:27 pm

I've spent MANY hours customizing REAPER and organizing everything. But now I'm happily making music with it, so there is a light at the end of that tunnel ;)

mdstudio
KVRist
65 posts since 11 Dec, 2018

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sat May 23, 2020 2:41 pm

I'm using Reaper for very basic things on a Mac and I've never had any MIDI timing or docking issues either. I did change the theme and configured Reaper the way I wanted it to work in terms of the keyboard/mouse shortcuts and custom buttons with useful actions (completely optional), and there were no major issues. Performance has been great too, but I mostly use synths and not large orchestral libraries.

enroe
KVRian
1228 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:19 am

dermichl wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:57 am
TheMaestro wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:25 am
dermichl wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:21 am
When I tried R I had a very hard time to figure out why a Midi clip changed its length when I changed the overall tempo. I was told that there was a setting for this. I never understood why one bar in say 85 bpm should not be a bar long in say 92 bpm...
I’m quite sure that’s not a default Reaper behavior.
With audio clips, you need to find the setting that keeps the length/pitch regardless of tempo.
It was back then. Some users tried to explain to me why this would be a usefull setting. But I failed to see their point. I did never ever bother again...
I really don't understand your problem :roll: because
there is the "time base" in Reaper:

"time" -----> a tempo-change doesn't move anything
"beats" -----> a tempo-change moves all items, but not their length
"beats (length, rate)" -----> a tempo-change moves all positions and lengthes

That's all you need to know. And yes, you can set the "time-base"
1. per project, 2. per track and 3. per item.
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enroe
KVRian
1228 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:24 am

trtzbass wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:01 am
Sorry guys, let me be more specific:

My main question is: "how stable and precise is Reaper's MIDI timing". Some of the people I work with are the kind of musicians who play irregular groups of 11 against 5.
If the timing of the take is not what they played in, there WILL be consequences.
Yes, but that is not a question of your DAW. Just because every DAW works
very solid regarding MIDI-timing.

It's a question of the connection of your MIDI-interface with your OS. All
problems in MIDI timing that I have experienced at some point were always
due to the MIDI interface and its connection to the operating system. :wink:
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dermichl
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292 posts since 11 Jan, 2014

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 am

enroe wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:19 am
dermichl wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:57 am
TheMaestro wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:25 am
dermichl wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:21 am
When I tried R I had a very hard time to figure out why a Midi clip changed its length when I changed the overall tempo. I was told that there was a setting for this. I never understood why one bar in say 85 bpm should not be a bar long in say 92 bpm...
I’m quite sure that’s not a default Reaper behavior.
With audio clips, you need to find the setting that keeps the length/pitch regardless of tempo.
It was back then. Some users tried to explain to me why this would be a usefull setting. But I failed to see their point. I did never ever bother again...
I really don't understand your problem :roll: because
there is the "time base" in Reaper:

"time" -----> a tempo-change doesn't move anything
"beats" -----> a tempo-change moves all items, but not their length
"beats (length, rate)" -----> a tempo-change moves all positions and lengthes

That's all you need to know. And yes, you can set the "time-base"
1. per project, 2. per track and 3. per item.
I totally forgot what made me stay away from R. It‘s those rolling eyes from devotees who are unwilling to accept other’s points. Why on earth is there a difference between the length of one bar at various tempi? Overengineered and counterintuitive.

replicant X
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237 posts since 30 Jun, 2009 from moon

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 3:01 am

MIDI timing problem often occurs on Cubase.
But I remember there is the solution.
And Cubase have very accurate PDC.

On Reaper with portable install, I've never met a MIDI timing isue yet.
I mainly making house music now. But I rarely use the quantize for pads and strings.
I’m majoring in REAPER at Kenny Gioia University.

NERF_PROTOSS
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24 posts since 14 Jan, 2020

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 5:36 am

dermichl wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 am
I totally forgot what made me stay away from R. It‘s those rolling eyes from devotees who are unwilling to accept other’s points. Why on earth is there a difference between the length of one bar at various tempi? Overengineered and counterintuitive.
it's an important option to have if you want something to occur at the exact same point in time (and/or for the same length of time) regardless of tempo. bars are relative.

but, again, it's not the default setting. you got the rolling eyes because you changed a setting you didn't understand and then complained about it. it's like if I coloured all my tracks bright pink and then came here and said "why are all my tracks bright pink, reaper is dumb"

dermichl
KVRist
292 posts since 11 Jan, 2014

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 5:52 am

NERF_PROTOSS wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:36 am
dermichl wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 am
I totally forgot what made me stay away from R. It‘s those rolling eyes from devotees who are unwilling to accept other’s points. Why on earth is there a difference between the length of one bar at various tempi? Overengineered and counterintuitive.
it's an important option to have if you want something to occur at the exact same point in time (and/or for the same length of time) regardless of tempo. bars are relative.

but, again, it's not the default setting. you got the rolling eyes because you changed a setting you didn't understand and then complained about it. it's like if I coloured all my tracks bright pink and then came here and said "why are all my tracks bright pink, reaper is dumb"
Ok, so how the funk do you happen to know what I did? At the time I installed R and gave it a test drive it was the default behavior for some reason... That‘s what I don‘t like in R it‘s the devotees that asume things they can‘t know and explaining oddities in their religion with stupid users...
If R suites you fine go ahead but leave others be and learn to cope with different opinions!!!

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TheMaestro
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299 posts since 26 Jan, 2020

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 6:19 am

dermichl wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:52 am
NERF_PROTOSS wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:36 am
dermichl wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 am
I totally forgot what made me stay away from R. It‘s those rolling eyes from devotees who are unwilling to accept other’s points. Why on earth is there a difference between the length of one bar at various tempi? Overengineered and counterintuitive.
it's an important option to have if you want something to occur at the exact same point in time (and/or for the same length of time) regardless of tempo. bars are relative.

but, again, it's not the default setting. you got the rolling eyes because you changed a setting you didn't understand and then complained about it. it's like if I coloured all my tracks bright pink and then came here and said "why are all my tracks bright pink, reaper is dumb"
Ok, so how the funk do you happen to know what I did? At the time I installed R and gave it a test drive it was the default behavior for some reason... That‘s what I don‘t like in R it‘s the devotees that asume things they can‘t know and explaining oddities in their religion with stupid users...
If R suites you fine go ahead but leave others be and learn to cope with different opinions!!!
Don’t come across like a stupid user, and you wont be schooled.
If the Earth was flat, cats would have pushed everything off the edge a long time ago.

dermichl
KVRist
292 posts since 11 Jan, 2014

Re: How's Reaper's MIDI?

Post Sun May 24, 2020 7:14 am

@TheMaestro: So to sum it all up: R is the uttermost DAW one can think of. And anybody who doesn‘t gel with it is a retarded morron and not worthy?! Did you ever think of visiting the doctor‘s place?
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