Future of Music

[Hink]

this is the problem discussing punk, some people think its one thing, other its another.
to me its a way of being, not a music genre.
the fact we are all producing our own music! punk!

Pfft. You've obviously never even been to Cincinatti.

[whyterabbyt]

this is the problem discussing punk, some people think its one thing, other its another.
to me its a way of being, not a music genre.
the fact we are all producing our own music! punk!

Pfft. You've obviously never even been to Cincinatti.

is it near wrexham?

Knowing the way the US nicks our town and city names, its probably midway between wrexham and inverness.

[dark water]

@ vurt: that's Cllyncynaddi you're thinking of.

[vurt]

@ vurt: that's Cllyncynaddi you're thinking of.

i think one of my exes gave me that

[vurt]

this is the problem discussing punk, some people think its one thing, other its another.
to me its a way of being, not a music genre.
the fact we are all producing our own music! punk!

Pfft. You've obviously never even been to Cincinatti.

is it near wrexham?

Knowing the way the US nicks our town and city names, its probably midway between wrexham and inverness.

do you think they bothered with llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?

[whyterabbyt]

do you think they bothered with llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?

its in Cheddar County, Texas.

[vurt]

i want to hear a country song

im gonna ride my horse down to llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch and get myself a girl

[AnX]

punk is a media name, not a musical genre

[whyterabbyt]

punk is a media name

what, like 'floppy disk' and 'DVD?'

[highkoo]

The Cache

[ceyhun242]

Thank you everybody for your post and contribution. I appreciate your answers..

[jancivil]

Cincinnati has three n's btfw

t'was AKRON with the punk street cred, or so I thought
Ohio is a hard, cold place to be in any case.


but the TV sitcom totally nailed Cincinnati stylee in so many ways

[jancivil]

I never responded to this, already sick of the ad hominem personal bullshit. I didn't expect to see this extent of butthurt because someone dissed 'punk changed things', which argues things must've changed in... 1976? in this overarching manner.

By the time Punk reached America it was already over in the UK. 15 minutes of infamy in England but Americans still ride that dead horse.

Well, I'm obviously not going to know anything about it, because I'm from the UK, not Cincinnati, the most pivotal place in the world for post-analysis of the cultural impact of anything.

Look, you came at me like 'you can't know/you weren't there' like it's going to overwhelm the discourse and I stated a fact about where I was, nothing more to it. I was a grown person at the time punk was gaining traction in the US. I wasn't close-minded to it at all, but as this great cultural moment, well... perhaps one may have a wider or deeper view of history than that. I'm not from there, I spent 5 trimesters at school absolutely hating the place, it's hideous.
I have no idea why "Cincinnati" would be supposed as giving a person cred whatsoever. London as the *epicentre of the music industry* moving to Manchester seems quite provincial (as well as the narrow view of music that suggests) to me, so I sense some projection there in going with the whole "Cincinnati" emphasis.
Revisiting this turkey of a thread for laughs, since it became another joke thread, I made a little joke it's AKRON wif teh street cred, which was actually kind of a thing for a minute in the US. I could give a crap tho, really.

Tell whatever story you like about me and what I think, my arrogance (never check yourself, right), it's just your story. I'm an authority on very, very few things in this world and will not posture on what I don't know from. I'm confident however I know music rather well, and as pertains to numerous forms of it. The context was initially 'Daft Punk changed music', now it morphs into 'cultural impact'. Ok.

So there's no way I would suggest that the fairly transient 1976-1979 windows of 'punk the musical genre' wasn't the delimiting impact that 'punk the ethos' (or whatever it is that's going to be absolutely wrong to call it) was actually a longer, continuous evolution from that.

Wait, it looks like you're asserting there was a longer evolution strictly from 1976. Funny, that, journalists frequently asked Frank Zappa if he invented punk in 1965. MC5 from Detroit, 1960s, was typically cited. Was Iggy Pop punk before 1976?
I'm a pretty good study as far as musical content and I do not recognize any great sea change in 1976 or whatever it is per se. (If it is indeed 1976, the trend didn't take long to reach the states at all. It wouldn't tend to as hyped as rock journalists were about it.) I was disappointed by it compared to the hype. DEVO (AKRON FTW! lol), though... that was a show. Punk in Ohio vs punk in California, vs... what is punk as a musical genre? Who represents? Ok, it's an *ethos*. This reveals essentially the impact of journalism. Musical ethos isn't in here anywhere, is it.

You're anticipating that I would not so much buy 'the punk ethos' and be somewhat accurate, since I won't really locate extramusical value as musical value at all. Did Sex Pistols represent some 'ethos'? For me it was a journalism-driven phenomenon that obtained the major traction it did initially through a posture of rebellion and a fashion maven managing a very shitty little group but had a notable talent for hype and a well-honed grasp of how to get written about. One may argue that it freed things up for people, I don't know that that's wrong but it seems to vaunt an isolated period above everything which led up to it.

I'd obviously be completely wrong in suggesting that the immediate impact of that lasted at least through new wave and post-punk, synthpop, and all that and into the 'indie' era up and beyond (at least up until the point where Nirvana were accidentally responsible for turned it into a genre name instead of an indication of distribution channels).
I mean, I'd be completely wrong to propose one single example, eg Factory Records on the basis of, the influence their bands had, the influence their designs had, the influence the mere existence of the Hacienda had. It'd be even more wrong to suggest that that one single manifestation of that 'punk ethos' that doesnt exist managed to briefly wrest the epicentre of the music industry out of London and into Manchester.
You probably want someone who's always right to lay out what actually happened.

I don't need anyone to 'lay out what actually happened'. Sorry, no offense meant particularly, but no. I don't know where 'someone who's always right' is located or how this insult of a person's intelligence is supposed to do anything, other than further express some emotional investment in punk as a movement - its ethos - I didn't so much see coming. Some people think differently than that and I'm one of them. That doesn't lay out anything actual for me, it may for you but it all seems like hyping up a pretty insular whole thing into something a bit grandiose. I mean I could go on about the cultural significance of Mabuhay Gardens in SF, CA just as well. Which you recognize about as well as I do "the Hacienda", I'd guess. The epicenter of the music industry... the music industry, note well. Yeah, LA just shut right the f**k down isn't it.

"through new wave and post-punk, synthpop, and all that and into the 'indie' era up and beyond" - I don't know if this is wrong, or what wrong vs right means in here, but for me this is just some labels regarding popular music trends. Some of which I give not a flying fck about and find just trivial.

What I did not say was 'there was no influence ever' in this era you state punk as having impacted. I think it's overrated as a musical kind of subject. "the influence their designs had" is not a musical subject. It's boring and inconsequential to me, fads and fashions and short-lived impulses. Were we talking about fashion design, or of artwork? I don't know what influence those things have or where, because it's just not that compelling to me. Yeah, safety pins thru noses, rock on. The new correct width of your tie, or whatever. No problem.

I feel pretty sure after all of this that you aren't really very interested in the musical impact, and this is all I give a shit about. From my perspective in life, the argument prefers language which flies way up above talking about music. It's a journalist's way of dealing with music. Punk "as a musical genre" as far as I can tell is stripped down rock 'n roll simple changes played fast and loud without terrific ability, and as an ethos was anti-musical values and reactionary. I think the real impact on musicians locates a bit later (and I'd grant some of it is because of shakeups in the industry, only I cannot extricate that from the economics and the impact there; "punk" as causal per se I don't have the chops to talk about). I stand by that contention, you may disagree and I hold nothing against you for that...

[whyterabbyt]

Wow, actually using the phrase 'extent of butthurt' when spending all that time replying to something from May. And sneaking in an edit to your post back then as well.

Get the f**k over yourself, I aint indulging your narcissim any more.

[revvy]

Eee, the night The Hit Man and Her came to the Haç is was f**king carnage. Wasn't very punk but it were great.

Back in 'The Day'.