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dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:14 am

jmh wrote: Funny thing is that you and Dystonia are turning this personal, not J&H.

No, it's 100% impersonal on my part - I have nothing against anyone personally here! Just thought that J&H was reponding a little defensively to what I thought was a well-reasoned and articulate critique. The bottom line is that it's a matter of opinion, and there's room for everyone. It's not a contest.

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:17 am

Ok, voice of sanity for a change

And sorry for lumping you in together with McLilith and summing it up like that, that was a bad call on my part.

Regards,

JMH

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:19 am

McLilith wrote:
McLilith wrote:
jmh wrote:I'm somewhat reluctant to go this way, but since you're now indicating you yourself are intimate with the subject... let's see some of your work?
Instead of a body of my work, I offer you my
Oops! I'm sorry about that. That answer got cut short somehow. What I meant to say was this:

Instead of a body of my work, I offer you my critique of J&H's GUI as evidence that I know what I'm talking about. There is also my critique of several other GUIs earlier in this thread. From the specifics of those critiques, can't you form an accurate opinion of whether I know what I'm talking about? You yourself, said that I did a good analysis of the J&H GUI. Haven't I made the impression on you yet that I'm raising some valid points here?

take care,
McLilith

I have to admit, that I am really amused by your entire silly attitude.

Now I 'll be somewhat personally to you:

1. The GUI, you anylized so generously, is a fully functional beta draft, to give the professional graphics designer (like you) the concrete prototype. It even works at current state to provide fully functionality for VST development.

ps: This draft is not done by me. It is done by a member of our team. The excessive 3D look was used do suggest the direction of the design in general.

btw: We actually have many positive reactions to even this *bad* first GUI draft from people from allover the world.

2. I really wanna see now, what you *can*. So you get hereby the permission to do a high-end GUI for the Vampire. So you can prove your claims. I think, you actually *have* to prove it now...

ps: Please note, that the GUI has to be modular, this means a multi-rack interface. We don't force a photorealistic 3D design. Functionality is what we prefer.

3. Either you are a really professionl skilly super designer, or - otherwise - you are a simply a really dirty nutter, who is very unsatisfied by itself. A laymen who compensates his frustration here by abusing creative folks.

ps: For the first case, we are willing to pay you, if your work is finally convincin *our* claims of quality.

It's quite easy to take other's work and find somethin to complain. What a bad character one must have to do this in that manner ...

So please take the offer, to prove your claims finally. Else you'll probabably become one of the most untrustworthy persons arround here.

I am really strained now.

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dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:26 am

jmh wrote:Ok, voice of sanity for a change

And sorry for lumping you in together with McLilith and summing it up like that, that was a bad call on my part.

Regards,

JMH

No worries - this kind of thing tends to heat up fast sometimes.

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:29 am

ps: (to McLilith)

There are at least two further products in our current development, which are waitin for aprofessional GUI designer ...

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shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:35 am

Hey j&h, I think the vampire plug looks pretty cool. Aside from whatever the graphics look like, looking at the functions, I knew exactly what it will do. Hope it sounds good.

Modular is a nice feature to have. To be honest, for the longest time I didn't think the VST spec allowed for resizing the window. I think Synth1 was the first one I ever saw do it.

Strange how this thread on interfaces came to be about web forum posting etiquette. You guys are wacky.

Cheers,
Steve

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:42 am

7 pages of pure unadultered OPINION.

There is no right way to design a GUI, and there is no wrong way. Aesthetics always work this way, for it is the very nature of vanity.

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:58 am

shamann wrote:
Modular is a nice feature to have. To be honest, for the longest time I didn't think the VST spec allowed for resizing the window. I think Synth1 was the first one I ever saw do it.

Cheers,
Steve

Its a simple task, if the host application handles this feature right. A common feature of the VST framework. I'm really wondering, why so few plugins use this feature to minimize screen sizes...

But I guess, that the raason is probbly the so countfull user discussions in the manner "wanna have all in one view" in the past years here (this was also such a common ranting, which finally leaded to an desaster, I think).

That finally may have forced many developers to assembe bigger and bigger screens, which is not a good tendence in my (personal) opinion, as you can see now...

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McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:58 am

jackle&hyde wrote:

I have to admit, that I am really amused by your entire silly attitude.

Now I 'll be somewhat personally to you:

1. The GUI, you anylized so generously, is a fully functional beta draft, to give the professional graphics designer (like you) the concrete prototype. It even works at current state to provide fully functionality for VST development.

I quit working for condescending, and arrogant people years ago. I have no intention of working for you. If you can't see the validity of the design ideas that I have expressed in this thread, that is a shortcoming on your part. My doing a GUI for you will not suddenly illuminate your mind. Most likely, it will be a waste of my time, and you will criticize it no matter how it looks, just so you can try to "save face."

No thanks, J&H.

sweet dreams,
McLilith

useruseruser · Post by **useruseruser** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:00 am

McLilith wrote:
jackle&hyde wrote:

I have to admit, that I am really amused by your entire silly attitude.

Now I 'll be somewhat personally to you:

1. The GUI, you anylized so generously, is a fully functional beta draft, to give the professional graphics designer (like you) the concrete prototype. It even works at current state to provide fully functionality for VST development.

I quit working for condescending, and arrogant people years ago. I have no intention of working for you. If you can't see the validity of the design ideas that I have expressed in this thread, that is a shortcoming on your part. My doing a GUI for you will not suddenly illuminate your mind. Most likely, it will be a waste of my time, and you will criticize it no matter how it looks, just so you can try to "save face."

No thanks, J&H.

sweet dreams,
McLilith

Sorry, but I really cannot see that.
My offer was seriously.

You are a f**king nutter.

ps: We exactly expected this reaction. You did *never* work for any developers and you have not really skills as graphics designer nor as a ergonomics specialist. You are exactly one of those common *wanabees* outa here.

And you really think. that your stupid ranting about our GUI draft was constructive criticism

Bääääh.

Sorry.
Communication with you terminated.

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Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:06 am

jackle&hyde wrote: Sorry, but I really cannot see that.

You are a f**king nutter.

And you're shit under my heel..What's your point? Tell me quick before I scrape you off on the curb & move on..

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:08 am

I hereby take back most of what I said and try not to be noticed when backing out...

He's all yours, boys

Oh well... at least it was fun.

Sigh.

I also admit talking out of my ass, a lot. Not even the DW website is about DW anymore... Feel free to ridicule me in any way you please =)

Apologies to all parties I might have offended in any way. Just don't hold this against me in the future - I'll sure as hell won't go this low ever again... =)

Dumbfounded and utterly ashamed,

JMH

intel · Post by **intel** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:08 am

don't deface the curb like that.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:15 am

jmh wrote:I hereby take back most of what I said and try not to be noticed when backing out...

He's all yours, boys

Oh well... at least it was fun.

Sigh.

Dumbfounded and utterly ashamed,

JMH

Oh no you don't..You championed this f**king shit-bag..take your lumps..

This guy routinely insults some of the most decent, intellegent & even-minded individuals in this site has had the priveledge of aquiring..f**k his goddamned GUI's & plugs..Nothing's worth listening to his arrogant bullshit..

Enjoy the view from up on high, whatever your f**king name is this week, it's a long way down..

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:23 am

I don't know, I like the bullshit.

Keeps things colourful around here.

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