inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn! (NEW audio demos)

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mladi
KVRian
1098 posts since 14 Apr, 2016 from Germany

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:34 am

The 2nd video with the free version sounds much better to my ears. I don't like what i hear in the 1st video. Terribly inaccurate and all in all sounds like a bad emulation of the SID.

As ED pointed out: Nobody's forcing anyone to buy.. ..but where ED hear the progression in accuracy in the newer version is his own secret i guess. :)
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Scotty
KVRAF
2096 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:42 am

I have to say that the free version sounds more like I expect coming out of a sid chip. I am not trying to be negative. I may be remembering wrong or maybe I am used to the mame arcade emulations as it has been years since I played the real deal. If I am wrong, someone set me straight.

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EvilDragon
KVRAF
19783 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:49 am

Well, sound designers have pushed things into areas you wouldn't expect the SID to be. And the above statement about accuracy is not mine but Mike Clarke's own. If he feels he did a way more accurate job than the free ensemble, well then...

Scotty
KVRAF
2096 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:04 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:49 am
Well, sound designers have pushed things into areas you wouldn't expect the SID to be. And the above statement about accuracy is not mine but Mike Clarke's own. If he feels he did a way more accurate job than the free ensemble, well then...
I appreciate your take and general support of the developer but what do your ears tell you? I'd like your opinion on that. If the new version is closer to the real deal then I think I have corrupted my hearing based on the mame emulators which is entirely possible.

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Captain
KVRian
553 posts since 29 Nov, 2002 from Finland

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:08 am

Why not just listen to the original, straight from hardware? The main theme starts around 5:10.
https://youtu.be/w5LqD8tQhBc?t=309

Neither of the emulations sound exactly like it, but to me it sounds like the differences are mostly in mixing and volume envelopes, and tweaking those would already help a lot.

billybuck
KVRer
7 posts since 21 Jan, 2020

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:11 am

Wow, in three pages I think I just watched a guy launch his product in a pretty mellow and un-hypey manner, then get attacked for it not being free, for it not being cross-developed for a preferred platform, as well as unfavorable, sight-unheard comparisons to freeware and software that has yet to be released.

It’s amazing that small developers persist in releasing anything, knowing that they’re going to run a gauntlet of hate here, in what should be their most receptive market.

Scotty
KVRAF
2096 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:13 am

Thanks Captain for posting ... the theme starts at about 5:10 in the video you posted.

Still listening... challenging my perceptions and auditory memory which is notoriously fallible.

fromwithin
KVRist
332 posts since 1 Jun, 2005 from Liverpool, UK

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:14 am

No two 6581 chips sound exactly the same. You'll never get two recordings on different 6581 chips that are identical. The filters can be wildly different, but even without using the filter there are other bugs in the hardware to contribute to subtle differences.
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Scotty
KVRAF
2096 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:17 am

billybuck wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:11 am

It’s amazing that small developers persist in releasing anything, knowing that they’re going to run a gauntlet of hate here, in what should be their most receptive market.
We are also getting clarity and important background. That is what the discussions are for. For my part there is no hate if you are directing that at me... I am just trying to figure out why the video he posted doesn't sound like I expected it sound. I am open to the fact that it could be me and have openly acknowledged that point.

Scotty
KVRAF
2096 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:25 am

I have listened a few times and yes the new version does sound more accurate to the source video overall. The new emulation has more top end brightness than I remember which was throwing me off but in general yes the arpeggios and the lo-fi crunch sounds truer than the free version to my ears. I think those mame emulators did impact my perception.

Guitar&synth
KVRer
8 posts since 6 Jun, 2019

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Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:49 am

imo there is no comparison between the two videos ... in the old version ring mod and hard sync are almost inaudible and the arpeggios are quite flat ... the new version sounds much brighter and more defined to my ears ... very very beautiful !!!

Scotty
KVRAF
2096 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:06 am

Guitar&synth wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:49 am
imo there is no comparison between the two videos ... in the old version ring mod and hard sync are almost inaudible and the arpeggios are quite flat ... the new version sounds much brighter and more defined to my ears ... very very beautiful !!!
It is easy to forget that when I was listening to the real hardware it was through a cheesy mono speaker in a Commodore monitor or TV with no bottom end and severe top end roll-off. I am in my studio listening to A7x (night and day). Might be cool to run this through an impulse of a small speaker cabinet... I bet it would bring the nostalgia back instantly.

Guitar&synth
KVRer
8 posts since 6 Jun, 2019

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Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:39 am

Scotty wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:06 am
Guitar&synth wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:49 am
imo there is no comparison between the two videos ... in the old version ring mod and hard sync are almost inaudible and the arpeggios are quite flat ... the new version sounds much brighter and more defined to my ears ... very very beautiful !!!
It is easy to forget that when I was listening to the real hardware it was through a cheesy mono speaker in a Commodore monitor or TV with no bottom end and severe top end roll-off. I am in my studio listening to A7x (night and day). Might be cool to run this through an impulse of a small speaker cabinet... I bet it would bring the nostalgia back instantly.

true, but the sid has a well defined character ... and it is recognizable, whatever sound source is used to make it sound ... I agree when it is said the old video have a very retro sound, very 80s chip , but it does not have the imprint of the sid ... Already the fact of the ring mod and the hard sinc are inaudible make it not sid ... I have studied the sid for years and I can say that the old video is a good emulation of an 80's chip while this new version is sid :) all this, obviously, imo

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mladi
KVRian
1098 posts since 14 Apr, 2016 from Germany

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:43 am

billybuck wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:11 am
Wow, in three pages I think I just watched a guy launch his product in a pretty mellow and un-hypey manner, then get attacked for it not being free, for it not being cross-developed for a preferred platform, as well as unfavorable, sight-unheard comparisons to freeware and software that has yet to be released.

It’s amazing that small developers persist in releasing anything, knowing that they’re going to run a gauntlet of hate here, in what should be their most receptive market.
Ahh comon.. if you think this thread is full of haters you'll better off the internet. People just said what they think and at least show some interest in the product. I'm fed up with people who alwayas see haters, haters and mre haters just because the statement of others aren't to their own liking.
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Caine123
KVRAF
6295 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: inSIDious is coming... a legendary sound chip will be reborn!

Post Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:52 am

Guitar&synth wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:39 am
Scotty wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:06 am
Guitar&synth wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:49 am
imo there is no comparison between the two videos ... in the old version ring mod and hard sync are almost inaudible and the arpeggios are quite flat ... the new version sounds much brighter and more defined to my ears ... very very beautiful !!!
It is easy to forget that when I was listening to the real hardware it was through a cheesy mono speaker in a Commodore monitor or TV with no bottom end and severe top end roll-off. I am in my studio listening to A7x (night and day). Might be cool to run this through an impulse of a small speaker cabinet... I bet it would bring the nostalgia back instantly.

true, but the sid has a well defined character ... and it is recognizable, whatever sound source is used to make it sound ... I agree when it is said the old video have a very retro sound, very 80s chip , but it does not have the imprint of the sid ... Already the fact of the ring mod and the hard sinc are inaudible make it not sid ... I have studied the sid for years and I can say that the old video is a good emulation of an 80's chip while this new version is sid :) all this, obviously, imo
thx a lot for the feedback, i am no pro but i really love quadraSID still, the programming is a pain though... how accurate would you say is the quadraSID and do you know any VST which comes to SID the closest so far? thx i just love the SID sounds!
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