Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession

[vurt]

someone have an idea of the release date of the P600 ?

page 600? about a week if you drop more sounds.

[TheMaestro]

Is that for you to decide? The FBM synths, for example, don't try to be slavish copies, just to invoke the spirit of the originals. If the current Fury800 thread is any indication, that seems to be enough for a lot of people. In the case of Mono/Fury, I think FBM have made a better VSTi than Korg's more precise Mono/Poly clone. Yes, the anoraks will want to compare it in infinite detail but who knows which approach will ship more units? More importantly, if you can make a better synth by deviating from the original, why the hell wouldn't you? It's not like Tom Oberheim ruled a line under the OB-Xa and said "that's it, this synth is perfect and I don't want to make any more changes, ever again".

What’s for me to decide? What an emulation’s goal is? That‘s usually decided by the companies/developers.

And the emulations are usually better, either close/better to the originals in sound, and are much better when they’re adding additional features such as better/more effects, more modulations, more polyphony, etc. So I don’t know what “better” you’re arguing about.
If I want an emulation of a specific synth, I don’t want that to sound “better“, I want it to sound the same.

And if you personally are ok with mediocrity, which I’ve come to believe you are, don’t argue for that for everyone else. Just state it clearly for yourself.

[AnX]

someone have an idea of the release date of the P600 ?

soon I hope, im bored with obsession

[zerocrossing]

5th S&H reso filter sweep

pretty sure that's in the original hw factory bank, name looks familiar
easy enough to copy and try (patch book is freely available)

It is indeed. Factory Preset D2 - S&H in Fifths. And (shock, horror) the Arturia Factory preset sounds significantly more like his hardware synth than the version he presents on his Youtube video. Vintage hardware owners tend not to be the most impartial when it comes to making the best of such comparisons

So don't draw too many conclusions when that's the case. If in doubt, you have to try things for yourself. Same goes, btw, if any of these videos pop up and do the same thing with Obsession. If things are waayyyy off there's a decent chance the person comparing may not be doing as well as they might.

That goes especially for using more advanced features like any voice adjustments which Obsession might feature . The chances your average vintage synth owner will use those effectively to narrow differences, with their hardware, is typically somewhere around the zero percent mark

Here’s another little trick I use that works really well. Forget about the name of the synth, or any of the marketing bs. Toss it right out of your head and approach any synth as if it’s the first of its kind. Start with an initialized patch and see what happens. Is it easy to get good sounds out of it? Does it need effects to sound decent? Don’t try and force a synth to get something you want, but let it lead you to where it goes. Does it get you to great places without too much trouble? Maybe it’s a keeper.

So many people seem to spend their time focused on differences. Sometimes the differences are tiny, sometimes not so tiny, but they are so focused on them that they miss out. Worse yet, they listen to beta testers who are really just people, often with no special knowledge or even developed aesthetic awareness. Some of the stuff in this thread... is laughable. The people with the strongest opinions are almost always the most clueless and better off put on ignore. Make up your own mind.

[Vortifex]

Day 2153: Still no release. Hope fading...

You realize that the following post was exactly three days ago right?

So....
When?
rsp

Getting very close Beta testers have been incredible, responding to new versions lighting fast so we could make rapid progress and pretty much finish the plugin. Some work is left to do on the factory library and manual. Hard to estimate how long this will take exactly, but roughly 1-2 weeks should be realistic.

You realise what a light-hearted comment is, right? Maybe not...

[vurt]

Day 2153: Still no release. Hope fading...

You realize that the following post was exactly three days ago right?

So....
When?
rsp

Getting very close Beta testers have been incredible, responding to new versions lighting fast so we could make rapid progress and pretty much finish the plugin. Some work is left to do on the factory library and manual. Hard to estimate how long this will take exactly, but roughly 1-2 weeks should be realistic.

You realise what a light-hearted comment is, right? Maybe not...

obsession is serious beesknees!!

[AnX]

Here’s another little trick I use that works really well. Forget about the name of the synth, or any of the marketing bs. Toss it right out of your head and approach any synth as if it’s the first of its kind. Start with an initialized patch and see what happens.

thats what happens with pretty much every new synth in beta, there are no sounds, you make them yourself as part of the testing, it's a great way to test and find out how it works/sounds, so its def a good idea when trying out any new synth

beta testers who are really just people, often with no special knowledge or even developed aesthetic awareness.

ouch... that would make for a crap beta team


luckily it's not, and what anyone says here doesn't affect the product

[Echoes in the Attic]

Day 2153: Still no release. Hope fading...

You realize that the following post was exactly three days ago right?

So....
When?
rsp

Getting very close Beta testers have been incredible, responding to new versions lighting fast so we could make rapid progress and pretty much finish the plugin. Some work is left to do on the factory library and manual. Hard to estimate how long this will take exactly, but roughly 1-2 weeks should be realistic.

You realise what a light-hearted comment is, right? Maybe not...

My comment was light-hearteder than yours!

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

someone have an idea of the release date of the P600 ?

Interestingly, Behringer is also doing a P600. I believe it'll be 8 voices (they're calling it the Pro-800).

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... 800-a.html

From what I understand, they even hired, or brought in, gligli who wrote the popular P600 firmware mod.

https://gligli.github.io/p600fw/

Slightly OT, but no more than many other things in this thread.

[AnX]

someone have an idea of the release date of the P600 ?

Interestingly, Behringer is also doing a P600. I believe it'll be 8 voices (they're calling it the Pro-800).

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... 800-a.html

From what I understand, they even hired, or brought in, gligli who wrote the popular P600 firmware mod.

https://gligli.github.io/p600fw/

Slightly OT, but no more than many other things in this thread.

Richards one has that mod too

[fmr]

someone have an idea of the release date of the P600 ?

Interestingly, Behringer is also doing a P600. I believe it'll be 8 voices (they're calling it the Pro-800).

I didn't realize you were talking about the Prophet-600. It was presented to the public in the Winter NAMM of 1982 (January of 1982), together with the Roland Jupiter-6, each one playing the other through MIDI. It was the official public presentation of MIDI.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

someone have an idea of the release date of the P600 ?

Interestingly, Behringer is also doing a P600. I believe it'll be 8 voices (they're calling it the Pro-800).

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... 800-a.html

From what I understand, they even hired, or brought in, gligli who wrote the popular P600 firmware mod.

https://gligli.github.io/p600fw/

Slightly OT, but no more than many other things in this thread.

Richards one has that mod too

Yes, I do recall him saying that. If the Behringer has a keyboard (versus just a desktop unit), I may pick up one of each: Behringer and Synapse.

[BONES]

What’s for me to decide? What an emulation’s goal is? That‘s usually decided by the companies/developers.

No, it's up to you to decide what you want/expect from it. i.e. Just because someone wants it to slavishly conform to all the strengths and weaknesses of the original doesn't mean that everybody else has the same expectations. So the developer does what they want to do and we decide whether we want to buy it or not.

And if you personally are ok with mediocrity, which I’ve come to believe you are, don’t argue for that for everyone else. Just state it clearly for yourself.

That's my problem, I won't put up with mediocrity and too many emulations are mediocre, in that they bring all the weak points in with the strengths. e.g. Legend could be a much better synth if it wasn't saddled with that Dog-awful ladder filter. Similarly, the OB-Xa would be a much better synth if Oberheim hadn't decided on a ladder filter for their 4 pole LPF, which they likely did to keep costs down, not because it was the best sounding option available to them. That is the strength of Diva - you can pick and choose the best bits from a number of emulations to make something that is better than any straight emulation. You don't have to settle for mediocrity.

[chk071]

The downside is that you just won't get a "full" Oberheim emulation in Diva. You have the SEM filter (or rather a approximation of it... kind of a harsh one), but, you don't have the Oberheim oscillators, or the envelopes. Diva is more like a collection of modules which you can put together, rather than being a full emulation of any synth with all that is part of the original. Which might be advantage for you, but, if I wanted to have the sound of the OB-Xa in the box, it's a rather bad choice.

I guess neither Legend nor Obsession are really your thing because you dislike certain things on the original synths. Which is fair enough, and you're better off with other synths then which are more to your liking.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

IMO, it's quite simple. If you're going to build an emulation, and I completely get why some developers have no interest in that, and why some users feel the same way, then...

1. It should be required that it can sound as close to the original as possible, warts and all. That includes non-desirable behavior outside of straight up hum on the mains, which most users wouldn't consider necessary for authenticity.

2. Bonus points if parameter values match up to at least the reference unit, so it's not just matching sound but also the scaling of the knobs.

3. But developers should also feel free and be encouraged to expand upon the original where it makes sense. Do things like add polyphony, a Mod Matrix, MPE support for those who don't want to overdub, add some good FX, maybe different filter revisions, control over slop and phase, maybe a special "Bones" filter that doesn't kill the resonance.

Where to stop is up to the developer, but I don't think most users will complain about additions as long as #1 and #2 are right. But let's say hypothetically The Legend had a filter that didn't kill the bass as you increased the resonance, and that was the only filter...well then it's not a Minimoog emulation so don't market it as such. But if Richard said "Hey, I'm adding the OBsession 12db filter that keeps the low end to The Legend in a future revision, and I'm also going to make a special 24db version of that filter for even more oompth and that'll go in both in both products...." well, surely no one would complain.

So do the basics right and anything added after that is just gravy. Seems like most companies take this approach. Or try to.