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Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:35 pm

Sundog Song Studio v PB Scaler 2

Has anybody used both? Do you have any thoughts about this?

TBH i wasn't overwhelmed by Scaler 1. It helped me make some songs or "tracks" but not a lot.

Edit: ooh! I was using Reason. I'll have to try Scaler 1 with Bitwig. (thinking out loud)

Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:29 pm

"Go from calm, smooth, chill out styles to energetic upbeat tunes in a matter of seconds. Promised."

That's what Sundog Song Studio claims.

Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:46 pm

I installed the Sundog demo, and my first impression is that it beats Scaler hands down! I hope this has been useful to somebody.

bob_gray · Post by **bob_gray** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:26 pm

I think of Scaler as more of a "music theory playground". I don't own Sundog, but I have spent some time with the demo, and it seems to be easier to use, and more focused on the quick construction of tracks (chords/melody/bass) rather than the "here's a bunch of scales and chords, do whatever you want" approach of Scaler. It also doesn't seem to have some of the more advanced theory features (modal interchange, suggestions for modulation routes, etc) that Scaler has.

That being said, I've just upgraded to Scaler 2 and they seem to want to take it towards being more of a full song construction tool with the addition of the rhythms and performance patterns, and all the new sounds. There's a of someone making a full track in Scaler 2, and it's pretty inspiring stuff. I'm really impressed with it so far.

Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:33 pm

Great, thanks Bob

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:03 am

i like Sundog Studio because it helps me to focus on the basic raw structure of my compositions. Just using the general MIDI sounds as a guide, to lay a solid foundation. It's a godsend. At first i didn't like the idea of a standalone program, instead of a plugin, but like i said - it removes all the trimmings and puts me into idea structure mode. Then with the barebones MIDI dragged into Cubase I have a few really focussed ideas to start, which generally leads to far more musical results, for someone like me with no musical training.

I'll probably buy Scalar 2 also though. I really love this new generation of MIDI tools... ChordPotion, Phrasebox, Playbeat etc

Spryx · Post by **Spryx** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:13 pm

Have Scaler 1 & 2, used Sundog Scale Studio for years. SSS by far is easier to use and get good results out of. You can see all of the chord variations at once instead of having to click a million different voicing patterns like Scaler.