Nexus 3 competitors?

[zvenx]

A better comparison may be Omnisphere libraries which have tons of patches and samples (in a few of them cases.....)....
Compare those costs and come back to me.
rsp

[djanthonyw]

For Kontakt libraries these are some good ones:

https://neo-soundstation.com
http://sonic-cat.com/calliope

[sacer]

The expansions are pricey (IMO) but I know they do deals with Sweetwater and also have seasonal half price sales themselves so not really any different to a lot of other vendors and better than some who never discount (Serum, Omnisphere etc).

Omnisphere has meanwhile a library of 14.806 sounds and amazing samples from the best hardware synths ever and it includes a full synthesizer, too! And for that all you pay without sale almost 400€! But Omnisphere is not a competitor, because it plays in another league of sounds as Nexus. Both are very strong in their area and that's the reason, I use them both and often together, but Nexus with expansions is much more expensive!

d16 lush is also a massive competitor with his 8 layers, and also has outstanding presets
Dune3 also competes with 8 layers and share with Kevin Schröder a sound designer

Your right, Dune3 is a fantastic synth, meanwhile one of my favorite and I have all expansions and Kevin Schröder is a amazing sound designer! But I think Dune3 is more of a complement, because Nexus3 is a rompler and has samples, you can't program with Dune3, and Dune3 is a synth and overall sounds better / more qualitative.

So the best solution is to buy them all!

That depends if you are after hollywood sounds of nexus, than you should go with kontakt, falcon, halion or sampletank,

if you are after these synth sounds then lush-10 and dune3 come very close

[Tannaliini]

If I get it right: Nexus3 & most the expansions are pretty good for EDM?

You can turn off the effects (reverb, delay...) from the Nexus sounds? And you can turn off the arp if it’s been used?

[outerspacecat]

If I get it right: Nexus3 & most the expansions are pretty good for EDM?

You can turn off the effects (reverb, delay...) from the Nexus sounds? And you can turn off the arp if it’s been used?

Yes, to all. You can even use any single sound from the SQ presets (aka real time construction kits). This is the amazing part of Nexus which other virtual instruments usually can't cope with.

[Trancit]

What my point was from inception . Quality.
Nexus sampling is no way as detailed as those in most kontakt libraries.

I am curious to know what Kontakt libraries you have.
I think it is vastly different quality altogether in general.
Nexus afaik and have heard, doesn't go into the details many Kontakt libaries go into with sampling. Just compare the size of the Sample content.

And btw Cinesmaples has a bunch of Free samples..... much better quality of sampling than Nexus

https://cinesamples.com/productGroup/freebies


Rsp

Sorry, but you missed the point...
Our whole discussion started because of the statement of VELLTONE MUSIC that Nexus expansions would be far too expensive, where my response was that in this case any Sample library would be far too expensive...
It was about the costs and not about how to reach the highest quality and deepness possible...
That Nexus cannot compete with high detail Sample libraries for natural/ochestral instruments is logical because of it´s approach...
But what it delivers for the price blows every sample library out of the water...

High quality sample libraries charge hundreds of dollars for a few but detailed instruments while a Nexus expansion delivers 128 unique high quality (and detailed enough for it´s purpose) for a 60,-€...

[Tannaliini]

My starting point was actually looking for sounds suitable for EDM (synths, basses, plucks + some nice pads also).
I know many people suggest Sylenth1, Dune3, Serum etc for EDM music. I do like them, but I some how find ALL these synth have their own sound (like Serum has very "Serum" sound if you know what I mean?). And this synth's "signature" sound of that synth is present in all of the sounds made with that synth (in good or bad). I found this to be case even with PhasePlant + Rapid when listening the factory presets (if they used the synth's own oscs with samples and not just heavily samples).

But with sample based player (like Nexus) you could get much more versatile sounds. The sounds out of Nexus don't sound "Nexus" since they aren't made with Nexus - correct? You could get much more different sounds? Is this correct idea I have?

[clipnotic]

It was about the costs and not about how to reach the highest quality and deepness possible...
That Nexus cannot compete with high detail Sample libraries for natural/ochestral instruments is logical because of it´s approach...
But what it delivers for the price blows every sample library out of the water...

High quality sample libraries charge hundreds of dollars for a few but detailed instruments while a Nexus expansion delivers 128 unique high quality (and detailed enough for it´s purpose) for a 60,-€...

That's not true, I have over 800 GB sample librarys from all known professional vendors and you get librarys for for 20-40 Euro, which blowing Nexus expansions easily out of the water! I also bought and use Nexus and I have many expansions for it and yes it has some unique great sounds, but many of them are the same you get as presets in other VSTs, because many VST developers and sample vendors want to reach "mainstream customers". If you want to talk about "unique high quality", you also have to compare with the internal effects of the plugin!

[clipnotic]

My starting point was actually looking for sounds suitable for EDM (synths, basses, plucks + some nice pads also).
I know many people suggest Sylenth1, Dune3, Serum etc for EDM music. I do like them, but I some how find ALL these synth have their own sound (like Serum has very "Serum" sound if you know what I mean?). And this synth's "signature" sound of that synth is present in all of the sounds made with that synth (in good or bad). I found this to be case even with PhasePlant + Rapid when listening the factory presets (if they used the synth's own oscs with samples and not just heavily samples).

But with sample based player (like Nexus) you could get much more versatile sounds. The sounds out of Nexus don't sound "Nexus" since they aren't made with Nexus - correct? You could get much more different sounds? Is this correct idea I have?

If you want to make "modern EDM mainstream genres" and just want use presets, Nexus is good for that and yes, it can sound different, because the samples are from different sources!

[outerspacecat]

kontakt also can be a nexus competitor.

Well, then please give me a link to any of these Kontakt libraries for €60 which can give me ready to play 100 % genre authentic presets including playable single sounds of the construction kits, including drum kits, sequences, arpeggios as well as an absolute pleasing demonstration where I can hear every single sound (!) contained in these expansions. I really would totally buy these highly professional Kontakt libraries for "wayyyyy under €60". Please bring em on...





Just to be clear: you get every single sound you hear in these demos. Every single one including the drums. Ready to play and tweak.

I have no clue how €60 can be considered too high for this unbelievable effort and high quality. These are full fledged productions where you can use every single sound(!), melodies as well as use the SQ presets for inspiration and or tweak them to your personal likings and mix the melodies with all other packs.
I've bought countless presets packs, sample packs and sample CDs (yes, that's how old I am), which cost a multiple of this price and were only full of painful fillers.

The thing about Nexus especially Vengeance is the high quality control of Manuel Schleis. This amount of work and perfection they provide for modern commercial dance music is unrivaled at least to my ears.

But maybe my ears are just broken. But with all due respect I have the feeling that some of you guys have to calibrate their ears or are just frustrated envious people...

[-Yaz-]

Yes, to all. You can even use any single sound from the SQ presets (aka real time construction kits). This is the amazing part of Nexus which other virtual instruments usually can't cope with.

Whereas to me the SQ things are the worst things about Nexus (or Avenger) - I don't want 'construction kits' I want single presets. In the same way I don't buy templates either.

[outerspacecat]

Yes, to all. You can even use any single sound from the SQ presets (aka real time construction kits). This is the amazing part of Nexus which other virtual instruments usually can't cope with.

Whereas to me the SQ things are the worst things about Nexus (or Avenger) - I don't want 'construction kits' I want single presets. In the same way I don't buy templates either.

You also don't get it.

So read again: You get EVERY SINGLE SOUND OF EVERY SQ PRESET. EVERY. SINGLE. SOUND. To be more precise even EVERY SINGLE LAYER OF THESE SOUNDS CONTAINED IN AN SQ PRESET. EVERY. SINGLE. LAYER. That's why an expansion consists not only of 128 sounds but of a great variety and multiple of layers and oscs.
You don't have to use any of the highly inspirational SQ melodies if you don't want to - but you can use nearly every single bit including single drums, single layers, even single oscs. Understand?

That's the beauty of this concept. You get these inspirational melodies on top to all the sounds.

[outerspacecat]

I am the only competitor at the moment :)12000 presets for 12 euro vs 16000 for 3900 euro,for this amount of money in my part of the world you can buy house,car and woman hahahha :):)
Of cource when you spend so much you have to justify it with quality - how could somebody offer something nice for 12 euro hahahha :)Cheers
https://velltone.wixsite.com/velltone/presets

The topic is interesting and i am sorry that my joke about me as competitor and the price wasn't accepted,i am not trying to underestimate the huge amount of work these guys did to create such a wonderful product,but it's just overpriced
It's amazing product,ready out of box,sound impressive,but the prices could be more friendly from time to time:)Cheers

To be honest I think your joke wasn't that funny. To me this was simply a pretty disgusting and shameless self-promotion for the stuff you sell. Completely out of proportion.

I'm sorry to be the jerk who pulls a typical KVR discussion off the fence, but this completely unrealistic double standard here is unbearable.

Let me explain how your product and Nexus bashing feels to me from a customer perspective using Nexus as well as some of the synths you apparently designed presets for.

First of all, since your first post, your appearance and also the amount of presets has changed. Very strange. Not a good sign.

You mentioned 12,000 presets but now I only can see 3,860 for €12. What's going on???

Anyway, at first there were presets included for outdated synths not running anymore on current systems at least not on mine. Strange comparison with a cutting edge tool like Nexus3 with its own cloud manager. "Only competitor", please get your shit together. Talking about the amateur like side in whole, but that's not the point...

There were presets included for Synthmaster and Sylenth1. So to compare it to Nexus you should also count in the purchase price of these two virtual synths. That would be €99 for Synthmaster + €165 for Sylenth1. So we are talking actually about €264 + €12 Euro = €276, agree?

And suddenly the Nexus Starter Kit is even cheaper, wow!

But of course the Starter Kit doesn't offer 12,000 presets like you do. That's right. So let's talk about the 12,000 presets, okay?

I just assume that you need 10 minutes of programming work to create a sound (including research, reverse-engineering stuff). Which, from a quality point of view, would be pretty industrious.

That would be 120,000 minutes working time. Let's assume that you are really an exemplary worker and work a full 10 hours a day as a sound designer, 6 days a week (sorry, only Sundays is off). That's 240 hours you work per month. Now, let's squeeze those 2,000 man-hours into that pretty stiff grid.

In this scenario you spend over 8,5 months straight to create the pure product.

That would mean that you sell me over 8,5 months of highly creative work for €12???

Wow, no wonder you have a totally distorted relationship to pricing. There seems to be a massive lack of economic skills.

And to return to the "you're the only competitor," where are the pretty entertaining glossy video and audio demos where I can listen to every single one of these 12,000 sounds, as it's the case with Nexus?

Either you're completely uneducated or you're are just a scammer and all these presets are collected from all over the web and or are just simply non-usable fillers.
So please help me out to understand what's going on here.I do not want to talk badly about anyone, I want to understand this as an interested customer.

PS: I'm also highly willing to trade my Nexus license including all my expansions for a house, car and even a woman, just tell me where this paradise is and hey I'm even generously rounding it up to €4,000!

Sometimes I have to wonder if it's just pubescent teenagers or complete lunatics out of touch with reality in here...

[Trancit]

It was about the costs and not about how to reach the highest quality and deepness possible...
That Nexus cannot compete with high detail Sample libraries for natural/ochestral instruments is logical because of it´s approach...
But what it delivers for the price blows every sample library out of the water...

High quality sample libraries charge hundreds of dollars for a few but detailed instruments while a Nexus expansion delivers 128 unique high quality (and detailed enough for it´s purpose) for a 60,-€...

That's not true, I have over 800 GB sample librarys from all known professional vendors and you get librarys for for 20-40 Euro, which blowing Nexus expansions easily out of the water! I also bought and use Nexus and I have many expansions for it and yes it has some unique great sounds, but many of them are the same you get as presets in other VSTs, because many VST developers and sample vendors want to reach "mainstream customers". If you want to talk about "unique high quality", you also have to compare with the internal effects of the plugin!

Name just one of the same kind of sound type!!

I don´t mean a single trumpet patch, which are offered for this money... a complete library out of 100+ sounds for less than 60,-€ and blows Nexus out of the water...
Just one name please!!!

[outerspacecat]

It was about the costs and not about how to reach the highest quality and deepness possible...
That Nexus cannot compete with high detail Sample libraries for natural/ochestral instruments is logical because of it´s approach...
But what it delivers for the price blows every sample library out of the water...

High quality sample libraries charge hundreds of dollars for a few but detailed instruments while a Nexus expansion delivers 128 unique high quality (and detailed enough for it´s purpose) for a 60,-€...

That's not true, I have over 800 GB sample librarys from all known professional vendors and you get librarys for for 20-40 Euro, which blowing Nexus expansions easily out of the water! I also bought and use Nexus and I have many expansions for it and yes it has some unique great sounds, but many of them are the same you get as presets in other VSTs, because many VST developers and sample vendors want to reach "mainstream customers". If you want to talk about "unique high quality", you also have to compare with the internal effects of the plugin!

Name just one of the same kind of sound type!!

I don´t mean a single trumpet patch, which are offered for this money... a complete library out of 100+ sounds for less than 60,-€ and blows Nexus out of the water...
Just one name please!!!

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