Nexus 3 competitors?

[gentleclockdivider]

You cant make your own sounds - you can EDIT an existing sound and save it by changing the envelope etc. You cannot change layers or sounds in the patch. Ok that means you can turn say a synth into a pad but you're extremely limited still.

No, I don't think so. For example Korg M1 is both a synth and a rompler. You can make hundreds of Your own sounds with it - but only using factory PCM tones etc...

That goes for almost every rompler inexistence ( hardware ) , otherwise it would just be called a preset player

[outerspacecat]

May I ask @-Yaz- & @SirkusPi why you dislike the SQ presets even if you can use them as single sounds? I understand it can be a bit of task to turn the all layers off (I saw a video where someone turned multiple layers off... I think it was SQ preset). Is this the reason you don’t like these?

I know sometimes the “feeling” of the sound can change if arp or SQ is taken away from it. So is this reason why you don’t like the SQ sounds?

SQ = What is it actually in Nexus3?

SQ stands for sequences. These SQ presets in Nexus are based on sequences (MIDI melodies) internally called arps because they are based on the internal arpeggiator.

These SQ presets can consist of up to 16 layers and every single layer can have its own arpeggiator (= up to 16 sequences/melodies in one SQ preset ). That's why I call them real time construction kits.

You can use the SQ presets as is, or just deactivate the arps (=sequenes/melodies) or edit the arps (you can edit every single of the 16 arpeggiators in the internal piano roll).
And you can also deactivate single layers of these SQ presets.
For example you just like to use the bass layer from an SQ presets, then you deactivate all other layers and arps, so you can play the bass for yourself and also tweak it to your liking with the onboard tools.

Here is a video of the old Nexus2, sorry it was the first thing that popped up on YouTube (6 years old).
Just to understand the concept of a SQ preset and the underlaying layers.



But don't be fooled from the old interface and simple possibilities. The newer expansions packs as well as Nexus3 have more options to tweak that layers. Every preset (either SQ preset or just a sound preset) can consist of up to 16 layers based on 256(!) underlaying single oscillators.
You then can use up to 20 modulation slots and 14 effects as well as two filters or stuff like the spike knob or the trance gate to completely tweak these layers to your likings
So it’s no problem at all to make a lead sound from a pad or pluck sound from a lead sound for example.

Here you can see the layer concept in Nexus3 (start at 0:25 (jus to skip the intro) and watch till the end where you can see the amount of oscs a preset can have. And don't be fooled again, this mix tab is to be seen simply as oscillator page. The fun for tweaking starts beside the front panel tools on the modulation and effects tab.



This guy explains exactly what I meant by using the SQ presets as new sources for tweaking your own sounds in Nexus and not to overlook them.
This is what the fuss about the SQ presets vs single layers is all about (again just the old Nexus2 interface):

[-Yaz-]

To further fuel the old (completely unnecessary) rompler debate. What many people don't know is that Nexus (as far as I know) also had its own non-sample based synth engine on board from the first release. As a user I can't access the underlying engine, as far as I know only the sound designers it seems - but the fact remains: Nexus has its own synth engine.

You can still see this in Nexus3 with individual presets, because no samples are loaded into memory.

Here, for example, you can see that this preset is a synth engine-based sound without samples loaded:


nexus integrated synth engine.png

I don't recall anyone saying it doesn't have a built in synth engine.

But the fact that you as end user cannot access it makes that kind of irrelevant because you can't use most of its features other than basic envelope and filter tweaks.

Public : 'Oh wow its got a great synth engine'
Refx: 'You can't use it though only we can so we can sell you stuff'
Public : 'Shit'

I use Avenger much more than Nexus because of the tweakabilty. Nexus is great though for people with old/shit spec machines as it uses virtually no CPU whereas Avenger needs a pretty beefy machine if you want to use a lot of instances in parallel without freezing/bouncing.

[Trancit]

I shared my knowledge about the synths I have. I provided information for the op and I also posted two videos of the possibilities / expansion for Nexus.

You are the one who claims to know these amazing sample packs - and suddenly you decide to share nothing, that's a mature move. Unless you can't provide us with these synthwave and edm sample packs you mentioned including construction kits, midi files and "PLAYABLE" single sounds (not just drum single sounds) for every construction kit - I have to call you a liar, sorry.

The problem is, you have no "knowledge", because you don't know the whole market, but praise Nexus like god! If you are not able to search for alternatives, but posting crap like here, then stay with Nexus! It would made especially for users like you!

I praised Nexus simply because I like it and use it, nothing more. If you read my first post in this discussion you can see that I own (or owned at some point) a lot of the mentioned romplers. Do you really think I know nothing about sample packs and other synths? But of course I don't know every single sample pack or synth out there on the market. You do???

I didn't post any crap. I praised Nexus because I like it and think it's a highly valuable tool for modern dance music.

In my world its more crappier to claim things and then not to substantiate or prove them. I like to stand by my word, you obviously don't.

I even don't need a list, I would be happy if you could provide me just with one single synthwave pack you mentioned which provides the same quality and amount of possibilities for €60 or even better, cheaper than that. Just a single one.

I't always good to find new sources sample manufactures and sound designers, so I'm really happy to learn more about these packs you mentioned. This could be very valuable for anyone especially for the op who mentioned he do like sample packs.

Don´t worry... clipnotic is nothing but a troll... since he joined this thread there was nothing but hot air and personal attacks...

Just ignore him... another entry for my foe list...

[Tannaliini]

Just ignore him... another entry for my foe list...

true, trolls need attention to breath

[Tannaliini]

Very interesting videos! This did give a much better insight to Nexus than I had before (it's always different to see how some one is using a synth + hear the sounds/how the sound is different after tweaks etc). I think Nexus gives much more than just "sample player" option now I've seen these videos. Quite a lot more actually.

[JoaquinAce]

I only read from page 4 as well as the original question from the OP, but I think it's prudent that he realizes that Nexus vs Omnisphere vs Sylenth/Serum/Avenger target different approaches from a producing view.

It seems that first, people often compare apples to oranges, then secondly, expect all sound generators to do everything and finally, combine these with personal feelings of said product. With regards to the first, Nexus is not intended to be used as a synthesizer so it will save a lot of headache and confusion if you put it in a different category and see Nexus vs Serum/sylenth/Dune/Spire etc as complementary than something that can replace each other. Same with Omnisphere which can do Rompler, synthesis, even interact with hardware...see it as complementary.

For the second, whenever X sound generator comes out with Y functions, then many start complaining about how it can't do A, B, C and Z. Again, see the complementary comment.

And finally the third, Nexus, Vengeance even Serum, Sylenth, Spectrasonics and even lately, Synapse Audio, generate opinions based on personal feelings due to whatever reason (marketing approach, type or users, developers etc). To the OP, try to avoid taking these emotional responses into account when making your decision. You have posted quite a few threads about different sound generators and I understand wanting to make an informed buying decision, but start simple and go from there. For a beginner, you can generate so many different sounds from one synth, that you will have enough that they won't sound like "from the same synth". When you start to produce, the "sound" of a single synth is not going to impact your producing ability.

[Tannaliini]

I only read from page 4 as well as the original question from the OP, but I think it's prudent that he realizes that Nexus vs Omnisphere vs Sylenth/Serum/Avenger target different approaches from a producing view.

It seems that first, people often compare apples to oranges, then secondly, expect all sound generators to do everything and finally, combine these with personal feelings of said product. With regards to the first, Nexus is not intended to be used as a synthesizer so it will save a lot of headache and confusion if you put it in a different category and see Nexus vs Serum/sylenth/Dune/Spire etc as complementary than something that can replace each other. Same with Omnisphere which can do Rompler, synthesis, even interact with hardware...see it as complementary.

For the second, whenever X sound generator comes out with Y functions, then many start complaining about how it can't do A, B, C and Z. Again, see the complementary comment.

And finally the third, Nexus, Vengeance even Serum, Sylenth, Spectrasonics and even lately, Synapse Audio, generate opinions based on personal feelings due to whatever reason (marketing approach, type or users, developers etc). To the OP, try to avoid taking these emotional responses into account when making your decision. You have posted quite a few threads about different sound generators and I understand wanting to make an informed buying decision, but start simple and go from there. For a beginner, you can generate so many different sounds from one synth, that you will have enough that they won't sound like "from the same synth". When you start to produce, the "sound" of a single synth is not going to impact your producing ability.

No, I never meant to say Serum/Sylenth were anything similar to Nexus. I tried to say FLEX (from FL Studio) is a bit like Nexus (but still nothing like Nexus ). Avenger + Rapid (+ PhasePlant?) maybe are closer to Nexus if comparing.

I just don't want to spend money (+ in the end my time to learn how to use etc) a synth (or rompler) if it's not "good for me". I have been learning how to use Sytrus in FL Studio. It can be very powerful synth, but it is not so tempting to use even though I now know how to use it. But instead I find FLEX more tempting (but then again it's very limited how you can edit the sound in FLEX). Also I find Serum easy to use, very easy - but the sounds tend to lack the "warmth" or softness. I think something like Nexus would offer more versatile sounds (also softness and warmth what Serum is missing). I could (maybe) afford for Nexus - but not for Nexus + Serum

[JoaquinAce]

Then I would say get Nexus. Together with the synths in FL studio, you are pretty well covered and you should be able to produce anything your skills allow. Sytrus is one of my favorite synths. It's completely underrated, I use FM synthesis all-the-time and I would strongly suggest digging deeper into you FL studio instruments and sound generators. It's impossible that you have already exhausted their capabilities. If you combine that with Nexus, you should be sorted and those in this thread with their "ReFX hate" can go trolling somewhere else. All the best, it's an exciting journey!

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Man you've got no idea how huge advertising of my humble stuff you just made :)And yes you are right for most stuff,i'm changing whatever i want,honestly what you wrote made me smile,it's just old stuff i decide to release again,some are free,some not so,other are in development so on
About outdated synths i could argue especially when it comes to Firebird,it's pure gold,i wasn't trying to make commercial advertising here,just my sense of humor is too spicy for guys like you obviously hihihi it was joke ...whatever,sorry for hurting so many folks favourite synth feelings,i never said anything bad about it,but seems like some guys trying to put some negative label on me,curious,whats the fun of that:)Anyway don't feel bad about it,nice day to everybody

You haven't hurt my feelings or and for my sense of humor didn't make any funny jokes.

You simply advertised your opaque products and compared them to an over 10 year old industry standard - which I find completely disproportionate.

And you still haven't explained where and how the sounds came from. Also why the number has suddenly been reduced to 1/3. Talking about jokes and hihi and hohohoho doesn't make things less strange, sorry. But you have to know what you're doing. I'll leave it at that.

To me, that's a highly dubious proposition. Not the least of which is that you advertise here professionally but only receive funds on a donation basis...

Ok will give some explanation,some guys may doubt,that i am fraud or something ...i'm from east europe and we are all criminals,right :):)
Old stuff(everything before 2019 i did more as advanced hobbyist than a pro) needs revision,to fix details so on,so need to separate the work(E.M.P for Sylenth1 i removed is around 5000 presets developed 2-3 years and thing to do again Monster pack but with upgraded sets when release new stuff,just so many thing require attention )not sure what is correct translation of 'opaque' found 5 different synonyms,but i dare you,find any other product 'opacue' or not that is close my sound - try my free stuff,compare with whatever you want :)Do not claim to be the best designer in the world,but man i really love experimenting and creating original stuff,so if your doubt's are that i sell other guys work just try to find similar 'products' for synths i do presets and the result will answer you
Have a nice day to all passionate users defending their favourite synth reputation:)
Cheers

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Believe me or not it was just joking around,wasn't bad intention or ridiculous advertising ...but whatever :)Cheers

[clipnotic]

Yes, I'm the official Nexus fanboys troll! All other developers and sample providers of the world paid me much money to obscure that Nexus is the absolute best VST on this planet! So, you got me, but now I'm rich, you not!

[Bippo]

As a kvr discussion grows longer, the probability of it reaching a complete and utter level of stupidness approaches 1

[clipnotic]

Of course, KVR is the best free entertainment, better than Facebook! I love KVR! Especially the thumb up / down feature is wonderful, better than shitstorms!

[outerspacecat]

Of course, KVR is the best free entertainment, better than Facebook! I love KVR! Especially the thumb up / down feature is wonderful, better than shitstorms!

I'm glad you're entertained. But we are all still eagerly waiting for these sample pack links you were praising.