v3 Beta Feedback And Discussion (Bugs, Features, Suggestions)

[crossovercable]

There are several ways to create a section but no way to cohesively tie them all together. ...

It's called the structure browser...

Thanks for these great tutorial videos !!!
If the structure could include the audio track/s would be good.
If you look at JJazLab https://www.jjazzlab.com/en/download/
it uses freely available keyboard styles .sty, .prs, .sst, .bcs
https://www.jjazzlab.com/docs/jjazzlab_user_styles.zip
these are simply renamed to .mid (if RC could could import without rename it would be good)
they have midi markers for the different song sections
if RC could import the marker names into the Part names you could then easily build your song with the Structure Tool and still have all the controllers.
There are plenty of Styles, Style editors, creators and midi to STY tools.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software.htm
https://psrtutorial.com/sty/collections/bart.html
https://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/psr-s950.html (scroll down to yellow sections for zips on any of the keyboard pages)

[BluGenes]

@crossover, man you come up with the coolest stuff.. lol Adding audio tracks, would be cool, but, there is much missing there as it is.. Adding that stuff, you are approaching the functionality of a DAW, which, I kind of oppose.. I think of RC as a midi sequencer, not a DAW.. Things that are missing are transitions, or cross fades, stuff like that. But, hey, if Attila wants to go there, more power to him..

The only thing I like about using audio files is simplification. You can render a really complex sequence into audio and use that instead of 100 tracks of midi, as an over the top example. I actually do that using Reaper and with sub-projects..

Adding that into the structure browser could work, but I can tell you, It is a complicated process..

If anyone wants insight into audio programming, I have a ton of links and resource connections. It's very complicated, but, fun in its own way.

[crossovercable]

The audio track comes in handy to add tracks to an existing audio song.
But with the Structures I'm not sure how you set them in the first place like regions in Reaper ?
If I import a midi file it sets the structure to what it is set to in the Import tab.
How do you import midi, clear the structure timeline regions then create new ?

[sj1]

Hi,

Question: Does the data definition for a Phrase in RC include a flag indicating whether the Phrase is in absolute note mode?

IOW, if I, say, drag a MIDI file into the Phrases window to import it and choose Conversion: None then after the import, once it has become a phrase in the Phrase Library, does that phrase "know" or "remember" that it started life as Absolute Notes (rather than Chord or Scale Relative)?

RC Import MIDI File Conversion None.jpg

If so, then I have two suggestions:

1. Implement some slight visual difference when displaying the phrases in the Phrases window so that the user can see which phrases are Absolute.

2. Allow Absolute phrases to be dragged out (or even exported in bulk) as MIDI files to external directories or DAWs.

The goal here IMO would to be able to round-trip a MIDI file from the desktop to RC and then back from RC to the desktop.

Have I neglected to consider other aspects of what would be needed to convert a phrase directly to a MIDI file?

[sj1]

Hi,

Question: When recording MIDI into the Phrase Editor, should we be expecting to see the notes appear as they are played, or not?

[sj1]

Hi,

Suggestion: A 'Show in Explorer' (i.e. standard Mac or Windows directory window) for phrases in the Phrase Browser would be nice to have.

Maybe just add a 'Show' button here:

RC Phrase PopUp.jpg

Or perhaps let left clicking on the Blue Arrowhead open/close Phrase directories in the Phrase Browser (as now), while making a right-click on the Blue Arrowhead open the OS-level directory window.

RC Phrase Blue Arrowheads.jpg

[musicdevelopments]

No, the notes do not appear as they are played, sorry.
I'll implement that later.
I am fixing the bugs reported here, and will shortly upload a new update.
Thanks!
Attila

[sj1]

Great, thanks Attila, and welcome back!!

[lulukom]

Hi Attila!
I hope you do not forget and in the new beta the loop transport will work! ))) Now it doesn’t work yet!)

[magicmusic]

There are several ways to create a section but no way to cohesively tie them all together. ...

It's called the structure browser...

Thanks for these great tutorial videos !!!
If the structure could include the audio track/s would be good.
If you look at JJazLab https://www.jjazzlab.com/en/download/
it uses freely available keyboard styles .sty, .prs, .sst, .bcs
https://www.jjazzlab.com/docs/jjazzlab_user_styles.zip
these are simply renamed to .mid (if RC could could import without rename it would be good)
they have midi markers for the different song sections
if RC could import the marker names into the Part names you could then easily build your song with the Structure Tool and still have all the controllers.
There are plenty of Styles, Style editors, creators and midi to STY tools.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software.htm
https://psrtutorial.com/sty/collections/bart.html
https://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/psr-s950.html (scroll down to yellow sections for zips on any of the keyboard pages)

jjazlab is open source. if it is possible to use the loader source of this to load yamaha styles with sections in RC this is great, and i like very much

[sj1]

Hi. FWIW, if Yamaha .STY files are indeed SMFs then one need only copy them all to another directory and use a bulk rename program to change them to .mid in a single simple operation. After that you could take advantage of SMF capabilities in RC or any other program.

OTOH, if the Yamaha .STY files are actually only "kinda like" .mid files but are really a proprietary format then it might heading off-mission to try to build direct support for them into RC. In this case, offhand, I'd think a separate .STY to .mid converter/cleaner program would be the way to go. IMO, someone with roots in the .STY community would be best positioned to undertake this. As was noted, JJazzLab being open source gives anyone who wants to take this on a leg up for sure!

To be clear, I'm all for having major available musical resources be accessible in RC (and all the other programs I use!). I note though that the standard interchange formats for passing data between music programs are SMF (.mid) and MusicXML.

I think that by robustly supporting those 2 key formats, both for individual files and for bulk operations as appropriate, RC can be the "most things" for the "most people" as far as enabling workflows for composers and performers is concerned.

[crossovercable]

They have the midi markers for the sections
Main A
Fill In AA
Fill In AB
Intro A
Ending A
Break AA
Main B
Fill In BA
Fill In BB
Intro B
Ending B
Break BB
but I can't see how to manually set the structure to those sections ?

[magicmusic]

Hi. FWIW, if Yamaha .STY files are indeed SMFs then one need only copy them all to another directory

To be clear, I'm all for having major available musical resources be accessible in RC (and all the other programs I use!). I note though that the standard interchange formats for passing data between music programs are SMF (.mid) and MusicXML.

I think that by robustly supporting those 2 key formats, both for individual files and for bulk operations as appropriate, RC can be the "most things" for the "most people" as far as enabling workflows for composers and performers is concerned.

this is beginning of sty file.
MThd €MTrk Žú ÿX ÿQû ÿSFF1 ÿ RockShuffle.S253.STY ð
Cv÷ ðCs9 F ÷ ðCsQ ÷ ðCsQ ÷ ÿS

sure a external program is possible but if the code can add easy in rc this is a selling feature for RC that can use such styles easy and create structures of this. so can try out easy styles and use melody generators to make songs. but of course this i wish not immidiate. more important for me is controller support or that more than 1 rc vst can use in DAW because i think best is when have for each track bass, pads, drums can use a own RC plugin.

[crossovercable]

more than 1 rc vst can use in DAW

Did you try and make a copy of the vst's and rename them to allow more
Common Files\VST3\RapidComposer2.vst3\Contents\x86_64-win\RapidComposer2.vst3

[magicmusic]

No, i try this not. what say Attila to this workaround ?. can this work ok ?
with older vst 2 it was possible to use 2 vst too, but it have some strange crashes and use for some reason much cpu load. did you longer use it and it work stable with new VST 3 ?