Pashkuli Keyboards: discussion + demos

[Niowiad]

I see, but that voicing above is a static demonstration of a wide stretch for two note interval. The rest of the fingers are pretty much stuck. You would never be able to play this in a song during performance.

Not really.
That kind of stretching is quite commonly seen on jazz piano.
These are just random videos I could find in 2 minutes, that had proper camera angle.


28:56 --- 29:17 --- 29:47


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The second guy has bigger hands, but for the first player (with smaller hands), sharp edges are probably essential in order to easily push the keys down.
That also works with sharp edges on black keys.

[Pashkuli]

Not really.
That kind of stretching is quite commonly seen on jazz piano.
These are just random videos I could find in 2 minutes, that had proper camera angle.

Yes, slow... mellow nothing uptempo as swing or free jazz.

On my Pahskuli i can play ultra stretched chords like those and transpose four in a second, not to mention if I slide them... probably more than 5.
On the wavy piano not so much, but still much more comfortable.

[Pashkuli]

Rоli Sеаbоаrd has nothing to do with piano keyboard with keys.

Correct, and to me at least Roli is in no way a replacement for a piano keyboard...
I'm typing this on a qwerty keyboard - why would you suppose that is?

This is offtopic. I speak four languages and started to learn Chinese. So, your QWERTY keyboard is irrelevant to me. Yes, one of my PC keyboards also has QWERTY. The other one has the vowels on the left + some punctuation (I type extremely faster when using Cyrillic).

[cleverr1]

Rоli Sеаbоаrd has nothing to do with piano keyboard with keys.

Correct, and to me at least Roli is in no way a replacement for a piano keyboard...
I'm typing this on a qwerty keyboard - why would you suppose that is?

This is offtopic. I speak four languages and started to learn Chinese. So, your QWERTY keyboard is irrelevant to me. Yes, one of my PC keyboards also has QWERTY. The other one has the vowels on the left + some punctuation (I type extremely faster when using Cyrillic).

Not at all off topic - qwerty is a standard, just as a piano keyboard is a standard. I would guess that your other computer keyboards are also standard layouts in different languages.

[vurt]

im oot.

[cleverr1]

im oot.

Don't be like that - This thread hasn't even mentioned pitch bend techniques yet.
I'm off to get some popcorn

[Pashkuli]

Not at all off topic - qwerty is a standard, just as a piano keyboard is a standard. I would guess that your other computer keyboards are also standard layouts in different languages.

If 3 standards are enough, then yes.
Also in Germany they use QWERTZ layout as a standard. In UK some symbols are on different keys.
I use my own and QWERTY for compatibility. I do not see any connection to the piano keyboard.
You can buy keyboards (for $5 to $50+), swap keys to your preferences, make your own layout with MSKLC1.4 (free) and build it a 4 level Unicode package with installer. Just a few days ago I did that for a few people.

The piano keyboard is not a standard. It is just an old, clunky design/interface.
Otherwise the mechanics have evolved substantially in the last 150 years (not talking about electronics and digital interfaces).

[cleverr1]

The piano keyboard is not a standard.

So it's been the interface to keyboard instruments since at least the 15th century, and any keyboard player in at least the last 500 years will have been taught on this.

mate, to say it's not a standard is frankly barking. What's your point exactly?

[Pashkuli]

By standard I mean a standard for production, approved by authorities.
Every company (Yamah, Korg, Roland, Steinway, Fazioli, etc.) has its own means and specification on how to overcome the difficulties in the layout. No time for me here to explain technical stuff. And they are protected and not standardised.

Otherwise, for more general meaning of the word 'standard' for the meaning of the layout – yes. This layout is a standard, meaning most popular among piano players.

[BertKoor]

> This layout is a standard, meaning most popular among piano players.

As if there is a broad choice with one option being popular.

[cleverr1]

meaning most popular among piano players.

I think by "most popular" you mean "universal".

Given the centuries old global infrastructure of training and performance based on the standard keyboard instrument layout you have something of a challenge when compared to the familiar layout of say, the roli. This is simply because its geography is already familiar to any keyboard player.

In the context of your newly designed keyboard, if it has any improvement to offer it needs to be demonstrated in the hands of a musician who could show clearly what it could add to their performance arsenal, (like roli did). That way it could inspire other musicians to also adopt it. I think that this must be your next step to carry your idea forward.

[Pashkuli]

(like roli did). That way it could inspire other musicians to also adopt it. I think that this must be your next step to carry your idea forward.

Roli's in 2014 raised $12.8 million, followed by a $27 million fundraising in 2016.
In April 2017 Roli raised debt funding from Kreos Capital.

With that much money I could be on my way to the Oort cloud by now.

[cleverr1]

(like roli did). That way it could inspire other musicians to also adopt it. I think that this must be your next step to carry your idea forward.

Roli's in 2014 raised $12.8 million, followed by a $27 million fundraising in 2016.
In April 2017 Roli raised debt funding from Kreos Capital.

With that much money I could be on my way to the Oort cloud by now.

Dude, you have a working prototype. Whats your blocker? So make it happen!!!
Demonstrate to us that your thing can do normal stuff, perhaps some Rachmaninoff, and I'd love to see something like "Make it on my own" by Alison Limorick and even "The girl from Ipanema" played within standard piano limitations, and when that's mastered in standard form then show us some clever additional stuff that demonstrates the value add of your product.

I think you have everything you need to prove this thing, so the ball's in your court.

I'm seriously hoping to see something good from you now.

All the best!

[Pashkuli]

This is just a hobby. I have no time to learn another instrument. I mean, I am trying on the weekends but I also play guitars and drums, studying Chinese, I have interests in other subjects (scientific). All that after work.
I can show basic stuff, no songs for the time being.

[BertKoor]

So what is more important to you: making a success of the Janko-inspired keyboard, or learning Chinese? Or has one to do with the other? Get the keyboard manufactured there and promoted there? Is that why you are learning Chinese?

Design is a different trade than manufacturing which again is a different trade than marketing. You need different skills for each. You cannot do everything alone. Maybe get some help. Or simply admit it's a pipe dream and won't ever take on.

The ball is in your court indeed...