Synapse Audio OBSESSION is now available!

[SLiC]

Does Synapse stuff ever go on sale?

Yes, but, if it's the same as with Legend, it'll be some time until it goes on sale (did Legend ever go on sale even?).

Doesn't need to go on sale for me at 99 bucks, I just HATE buying software that is later basically given away in ridiculous deal, I just don't buy from those type of sellers any more (IK, PA, NI etc.) unless I am buying at the 50-80% price!)

Incidentally I just tried to buy it but it seems the VAT side isn't working at the moment (I am VAT registered)- got this message ' Unfortunately, our system is currently unable to connect to the VAT ID validation server. ' so will try again latter....

[urosh]

Doesn't need to go on sale for me at 99 bucks, I just HATE buying software that is later basically given away in ridiculous deal

Synapse stuff never goes on ridiculous deal kind of sale, 30% off at best.

[chk071]

Why does it bother you when it is being sold at Christmas next year for $50? What do you lose now? What is your fear?

[zvenx]

Don't know much about Metasynth. It allows you to change the OS of plugins?

I read somewhere on kvr that Legend was either 4x or 8x oversampling (not from Richard). Have no idea if it is true, but the assumption was Obsession would be too.
Now curious to know what it is.
rsp

Indeed the Legend is 8x oversampled.

The Legend features summary:

Accurate circuit simulation
Two Revisions modeled, Early and Late
8x Oversampled engine

Obsession's feature summary doesn't mention its oversampling rate, but I would imagine it might be around the same? Richard?
rsp

[chk071]

Doesn't need to go on sale for me at 99 bucks, I just HATE buying software that is later basically given away in ridiculous deal

Synapse stuff never goes on ridiculous deal kind of sale, 30% off at best.

Well, they had Dune 2 on sale for $99 at least once, and that's more than 30% off.

[recursive one]

I'm still not sure how much i need an ObXa emulation for making psytrance, but it's definitely a great pad machine.

If you often make sounds from the scratch (instead of using presets), I would say that you need it. It goes way beyond pads.

Yes, i mostly use my own sounds. With such a great lp and bp filter i can see how it can be very useful for various "acid" sounds.

Well, i tried hard not to like Obsession

[Ingonator]

First it is important to know that only the Osc/Filter/envelope settings can be copied from another patch while other parameters like e.g. modulation, mod matrix and FXs are global.

A way to create a Dual patch from 2 single patches is this:
- Load a single patch in the 1st instance of OBsession
- if needed change voices to 16 (right-click menu or the Dual/Split modes drop-down menu)
- At the drop-down menu in the upper left select "Dual"
- open a 2nd instance of OBsession
- load another single patch in the 2nd instance
- in the 2nd instance click on "copy part" in the right-click menu
- go back to the 1st instance and open part B there (by clicking at "B")
- click on "paste part" from the right-click menu which adds the OSc/Filter/enveleop settings of teh second patch to Part B of the first instance
- you can flip the parts with "swap parst" from the right click menu
- in this example the modulation + mod matrix + FX settings from the first instance/patch will be used. The volume knob is global too but you got the balance fader to adjust the volume of the parts.


This sounds complicated at a first look but gets very easy when you get used to it.

Copy/Paste does not just work for Dual/Split parts but also for the voice trimmers of a certain voice.
When you open one of the voice edit pages then in the right-click menu you get 2 options called "Copy Trimmers" and "Paste Trimmers". You can use this to copy/paste voice trimmers inside a single part of a patch (from one voice to another one), between 2 parts of a Dual/split patch and also between 2 instances of OBsession and/or between 2 patches.

[waltercruz]

Does Synapse stuff ever go on sale?

In many ways I am happy with a lower/fair but 'constant' price than slashing the price later devaluing the product for anyone who paid full price (like almost 80% off Syntronik the moment = screw you to everyone who paid $200 for it recently and anything from PA can be had for 20-30 bucks at some point! )

There was a $59 sale in 2018 May and a $79 sale in December 2019.

[SLiC]

Why does it bother you when it is being sold at Christmas next year for $50? What do you lose now? What is your fear?

Doesn't much, that's why I am trying to buy it (but the VAT validation isn't working)

Software selling now by vendors like IK at 80% of what I paid bothers me only in terms of the ability to resell, I was actually thinking of selling IK Multimedia Syntronik as I rarely use it, not much point now they are now selling it for £60!

[suthnear]

At least one of obsession or the obxav is wrong from an emulation standpoint: there are different phase relationships between the oscillator waves. If you select saw+square on obsession you get a sound that is very similar to saw+square on the pro one/repro-1: it sounds like a second saw an octave up has been mixed in. You get a similar sound if you sync square to or from saw with both oscillators at the same pitch. However, on obxav saw+square together is more like the prophet 5/repro-5: a somewhat beefier square. Syncing triangle and saw also sounds different in the two plugins, whereas syncing square and triangle sounds very similar on both. I guess this indicates that it is the phase of the saw that is different. I don't know which is correct and I prefer obsession but they can't both be right unless there were revisions of the obxa that wired the CEM3340 differently (as the pro-one and prophet 5 did) and the two companies modelled different revisions.

The area I find that the two plug ins differ the most is parameter ranges. In copying patches, the knobs are often in quite different positions, particularly with the envelopes. Interestingly, when copying sounds between obsession and repro-5 the envelopes end up looking pretty similar, which is sort of what you'd expect given that they both used CEM3310s for envelope generators. The obxav is also a little more sluggish on attack which suggests that perhaps arturia didn't model the CEM3310.

p.s. @RH: please copy arturia's use of mixer controls for oscillator and noise levels. It is an excellent improvement on the original.

p.p.s it's not in the manual so I assume this is not possible, but on the obxa, you can select half and full at the same time for oscillator 2 level which gives a level boost above full (opx uses this for quite a few presets). Is this possible on obsession?

[Yorrrrrr]

p.p.s it's not in the manual so I assume this is not possible, but on the obxa, you can select half and full at the same time for oscillator 2 level which gives a level boost above full (opx uses this for quite a few presets). Is this possible on obsession?

In Obsession the OSC 2 button in the Filter section has 2 states: a dim red light (half), and a full red light (full). Additionaly, you can freely set the level for both in the Mod Matrix (Const>Osc 2 or 1). Maybe this works to boost the level.

[SLiC]

p.p.s it's not in the manual so I assume this is not possible, but on the obxa, you can select half and full at the same time for oscillator 2 level which gives a level boost above full (opx uses this for quite a few presets). Is this possible on obsession?

Not the same, but there is the 'VCA Saturation' switch on the back which gives a really nice boost (and a limiter switch if needed!)

[urosh]

At least one of obsession or the obxav is wrong from an emulation standpoint: there are different phase relationships between the oscillator waves. If you select saw+square on obsession you get a sound that is very similar to saw+square on the pro one/repro-1: it sounds like a second saw an octave up has been mixed in. You get a similar sound if you sync square to or from saw with both oscillators at the same pitch. However, on obxav saw+square together is more like the prophet 5/repro-5: a somewhat beefier square. Syncing triangle and saw also sounds different in the two plugins, whereas syncing square and triangle sounds very similar on both. I guess this indicates that it is the phase of the saw that is different. I don't know which is correct and I prefer obsession but they can't both be right unless there were revisions of the obxa that wired the CEM3340 differently (as the pro-one and prophet 5 did) and the two companies modelled different revisions.

By default, on CEM3340 square is "inverted" compared to saw (when you sum them fundamentals cancel). This was "fixed" on SH101 by inverting square/pulse wave output (so saw+sqr = more fundamental harmonic, not less), but on OB-Xa, Pro One and Prophet 5 it works the same, fundamental harmonic gets diminished when you turn on both saw and square.

[BONES]

Stellar plugin , but as with any other piece of synapse software I am still having the issue that when the gui shows , the cpu (taskmanger ) rises to 50 % ( no audio processing )
Closing the gui solves it

What host, what OS and what hardware? I get none of that and I am pretty sure none of the other beta testers had that issue, either.

[BONES]

I don't get that comment since the Xa didn't produce a triangle waveform, either, afaik.
So if they added a triangle, why not a sine as well for osc 2?

As Ingo pointed out, the OB-X had the triangle thing, so it's an OB thing. Whilst it is based on the OB-Xa, OBSession has features from all the OB synths.

Also, the synth is way beyond the hardware, anything but a mere emulation.

No, it is accurately modelled hardware with additional features. Everything that matters sounds like it did in a real OB series synth. The other stuff is just bolted on and hidden on the back panel (except the second LFO).

you cant load patches in demo, so cant load into A/B

What are you talking about? You can't load a patch into B anyway because patches have their own mode saved with them. i.e. If you try to load a "Single" patch into Part "B" of a Dual or Split patch, it will load as a "Single" patch, overwriting whatever you had been doing. So the demo isn't the problem.

looks like ingo cant read....

Actually, it just looks like you don't know what you're talking about.

Replika XT is my go-to delay too.

For me it's simply the best sounding. Most delays I tried either dampened the sound too much, saturated, or had some weird low and hi cut filters. Even the highly praised (here...) Valhalla Delay doesn't at all reach the sound of Replika.

Don't you guys care about the CPU use? With certain settings it uses more CPU than any instrument I own. It is a great delay but not so great that I'll put up with the CPU hit. After all, it's just a delay.

I really like the filter, when resonance is dialed to the max it sounds very good, maybe one of the best software filters i ever heard. Any chance this filter would make it into Dune?

Which one? The 2 Pole and 4 Pole filters are completely different.