Pashkuli Keyboards: discussion + demos

[Pashkuli]

So what is more important to you: making a success of the Janko-inspired keyboard, or learning Chinese? Or has one to do with the other? Get the keyboard manufactured there and promoted there? Is that why you are learning Chinese?

Design is a different trade than manufacturing which again is a different trade than marketing. You need different skills for each. You cannot do everything alone. Maybe get some help. Or simply admit it's a pipe dream and won't ever take on.

The ball is in your court indeed...

Both are important.
Yes, quite possibly (I prefer doing all things on my own for the time being, cannot pay other people)
Yes.

I can't. Been trying to get some investors on board... they require me to have already be making profit above £1 000 000 per year, otherwise – not interested. So...

[BertKoor]

So the story is: you got irritated with traditional piano keyboards. Could not learn to play them. Being creative you invented your own alternative layout, heavily borrowing from Janko. But you cannot be arsed to learn to play it at a proficient level. You are learning Chinese now...

If this is a true representation, then I can draw some conclusions.

[BertKoor]

[Edit] Saw that answer the first time already. You have not reacted yet on what I posted inbetween[/]

Banks will lend you money only if you can make it plausible you don't really need it. Most investors are interested only when lured with a lot of profit.

What do you hope to achieve?
Got a strategy for that?
Is your strategy working so far?
Would you accept help in any form?

What did you hope to achieve by posting here? Is it working so far? Do you need someone to spell out why not, or have you figured that out yourself?

[Pashkuli]

I posted it here, to see what people might say about it. People who play piano, who are interested in keyboard design and improvements.

So the story is: you got irritated with traditional piano keyboards. Could not learn to play them. Being creative you invented your own alternative layout, heavily borrowing from Janko. But you cannot be arsed to learn to play it at a proficient level. You are learning Chinese now...

If this is a true representation, then I can draw some conclusions.

Yes, I got frustrated. No, it is not heavily borrowed from Jankò's!!! Not in the slightest... maybe a slight 10%.
My "marshmallow-honeycomb" candy keyboard is a major improvement on Dreschke's keyboard!!!
Of course I can learn to play it. I need at least one full year free and doing only that 10 hours a day/365 days to get to a proficient level at it. Yes, I am (learning).

Banks will lend you money only if you can make it plausible you don't really need it. Most investors are interested only when lured with a lot of profit.

What do you hope to achieve?
Got a strategy for that?
Is your strategy working so far?
Would you accept help in any form?

Not sure I quite understand your suggestions about banks. No, no bank will loan you money just because of your teenage dream! This is ridiculous!

Of course any help is more than welcome. I can offer 40% of my company for now, to whomever wants to make it a business, marketing, endeavour. It will be me and that 'entity'. Even recently I've written letters with the above to private equity funds (see above their prerequisite of proven profit of at least £1M/year in my bank account), companies (Yamaha, Kawai, Fatar, Ashun SM, etc.) and private individuals who are Members of Royal College of Music (London)...

I was giving the piano re-design for free and since none called me to use it (or maybe they will but it is too late), I registered it as an intellectual property.

[BertKoor]

The biggest obstacle I see is your inability to show how / why this is a better keyboard. If it takes anyone a year full time learning, that is not good advertising.

If I put your design next to Janko, the exterior simularity is stunning. I don't know why you object to that so much now.

I did not ask for the story behind the other keyboard. Again not doing yourself any service...

[Pashkuli]

The biggest obstacle I see is your inability to show how / why this is a better keyboard. If it takes anyone a year full time learning, that is not good advertising.

What instrument(s) do you play? How many days do you think will take you to learn 5~6 songs on another instrument? Take a kaval and give me a figure?

If I put your design next to Janko, the exterior similarity is stunning.

This shows how much you do not know about this subject. Also there have been many 'alternative' keyboards during the last 150 years or so. There are two major obstacles: state of the art (technological) and investment.

offtopic:
Or do you really think that Windows or MacOS or Android are the best OS outhere? Those are the ones chosen to be invested in by major funds/companies that had good contacts with hardware development companies (Intel, Motorola, AMD). There were at least a dozen better OS.

[excuse me please]

So far it seems very little are really interested. Although the idea is interesting and it looks cool, as an application your instruments lacks definition IMO.

The accordion idea of push and pull comes to mind. So that's a wind instrument. Pushing air you can do with pedals, I assume. I'd specialize in that direction (I haven't read the whole thread but I notice you already came up with a wind instrument).

So you have to ask: "what can make this instrument interesting for people who want wind instruments sounds." I'd start to interest the players of those instruments by using settings which are familiar for these players. Trumpet settings, flute settings etc.

I have this idea (if it does not already exist). Two pedals which interact: one gives air pressure, other pedal works the other way around; it releases air pressure. So you can create nice fx, I'd say.

https://www.harmonicahoek.nl/muziek/bla ... akkoorden/

[cleverr1]

This is just a hobby. I have no time to learn another instrument. I mean, I am trying on the weekends but I also play guitars and drums, studying Chinese, I have interests in other subjects (scientific). All that after work.
I can show basic stuff, no songs for the time being.

In other words you have no plan to test your invention, and even if you did it's not your priority.

If this is correct then why don't you search for a competent musician who would be willing to learn it so that it could be appraised and properly demonstrated?

[Pashkuli]

If this is correct then why don't you search for a competent musician who would be willing to learn it so that it could be appraised and properly demonstrated?

I wrote it already: because I cannot pay them. Hence, I am doing it on my own. I recorded some videos, but do not have the time to sit down and edit them. I really do not have the time for such a tedious task (taking the time to study/learn more instead).

[cleverr1]

I wrote it already: because I cannot pay them. Hence, I am doing it on my own. I recorded some videos, but do not have the time to sit down and edit them. I really do not have the time for such a tedious task (taking the time to study/learn more instead).

You have an answer for everything, but I've not seen anything productive and meaningful.

The reality is as you've said yourself that you're not doing it, and you justify that by citing your other activities. Why would you consider learning your new interface tedious, is it that bad? Any new instrument or in this case a new way to control one in an expressive way should be a labour of love. If that's below you then you've wasted your time, and indeed anyone's who's read any of your posts on the subject.

Come on fella, there's got to be a serious music student out there that would relish the chance at this opportunity for free.

Sorry, but I think that you're just another "but" person who can't finish anything.

[Pashkuli]

Why would you consider learning your new interface tedious, is it that bad?
There's got to be a serious music student out there that would relish the chance at this opportunity for free.

You have not read what I said about the videos (yes, songs are tedious to learn, especially the more suitable for this keyboard).
And no, no one is working for free.

[Pashkuli]

So far it seems very little are really interested. Although the idea is interesting and it looks cool, as an application your instruments lacks definition IMO.

The accordion idea of push and pull comes to mind. So that's a wind instrument. Pushing air you can do with pedals, I assume. I'd specialize in that direction (I haven't read the whole thread but I notice you already came up with a wind instrument).

So you have to ask: "what can make this instrument interesting for people who want wind instruments sounds." I'd start to interest the players of those instruments by using settings which are familiar for these players. Trumpet settings, flute settings etc.

I have this idea (if it does not already exist). Two pedals which interact: one gives air pressure, other pedal works the other way around; it releases air pressure. So you can create nice fx, I'd say.

https://www.harmonicahoek.nl/muziek/bla ... akkoorden/

No accordions, no push and pull, no trumpets. I really have no idea what are you writing about.

[BertKoor]

Dear Ian, why would I have to take up the kaval? It looks a difficult instrument to master indeed. Have you mastered it? Your time is better spent learning how to register an internet domain (although maybe you already did ) and put some content on it.

But we were discussing keyboards. I think it was Bach that said something alike "To play the piano all it takes is to press the right key at the right moment". If your keyboards aren't making it easier to play them, then I'm totally lost.

You have said earlier that people that already can play the piano are not the kind that will switch over. But where will you find such people? And how would you convince them? What is the strategy?

The person that gave you that other layout for free, he knew exactly what he had and what it was worth.
Ideas are worth nothing if they cannot be exploited.

[Pashkuli]

Dear Ian, why would I have to take up the kaval? It looks a difficult instrument to master indeed. Have you mastered it? Your time is better spent learning how to register an internet domain (although maybe you already did ) and put some content on it.

But we were discussing keyboards. I think it was Bach that said something alike "To play the piano all it takes is to press the right key at the right moment". If your keyboards aren't making it easier to play them, then I'm totally lost.

You have said earlier that people that already can play the piano are not the kind that will switch over. But where will you find such people? And how would you convince them? What is the strategy?

The person that gave you that other layout for free, he knew exactly what he had and what it was worth.
Ideas are worth nothing if they cannot be exploited.

Pashkuli keyboard is a new keyboard instrument. It is not a piano, it is not a grid/surface (though with some money I can make it a perfect "grid"), it is not Tonnetz, Bayan, Axis-64, microtonal, etc.
Even skilful piano players will find themselves confused when trying to play it. The layout is very simple, not derived from geometric clusters (Euler's Tonnetz and the unpleasant Axis-64). Rather, derived from the topology of human hand/fingers and how they are designed by Nature itself, not by some nonsense rectangles. Rectangles are only suitable for quick cut from wood or stone.

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Only if you have played Jankò/Dreschke keyboards before, then Pashkuli keyboard will be familiar to you. But it offers more features and playability than a Jankò! And it is not a Jankò derivative. It is a derivative of the design (though extremely improved, because of the state of the art in technology and production nowadays) of Theophile–Auguste Dreschke's keyboard (a professor of Music at the University of Berlin).

I have no website, domain or whatever. Facebook, Instagram, Gmail (pashkuli.keyboard), Youtube are more than enough. My name is not Ian (Ian is an anagram of my real name initials IYN).

No one has given me the 'standard' piano keyboard design. You could barely say the 'standard' is a design, because it is just rectangle blocks. The 'design' part is to arrange them 'equidistant' (not possible mathematically and physically) across the plane.

Ideas are everything.

[BertKoor]

im oot.

+1.