Synapse Audio OBSESSION is now available!

[zvenx]

Random Notes Obsession and OB-Xa V

https://soundcloud.com/exmatproton/ob-x-testing

Interesting.
So this is bars of each mixed in (maybe Synth A, B,B, A)?
To my ears or imagination Bar 1 and 4 sounds a tad bit punchier, but indeed if these are those two they are lot closer than in my own experimentation.
rsp

Random notes. That's to say; D F on synth A and D F on synth B, and that sequence mixed up.

Really, if this was an opening for a track, nobody would hear that this were 2 different synths. And they really are.

Agreed.
Surprisingly.
Maybe because the snippets are so short and so close together, the ear doesn't get time to readjust? Have no idea..

Did you find the two close in other examples other than this specific patch/config?
rsp

[exmatproton]

Random Notes Obsession and OB-Xa V

https://soundcloud.com/exmatproton/ob-x-testing

Interesting.
So this is bars of each mixed in (maybe Synth A, B,B, A)?
To my ears or imagination Bar 1 and 4 sounds a tad bit punchier, but indeed if these are those two they are lot closer than in my own experimentation.
rsp

Random notes. That's to say; D F on synth A and D F on synth B, and that sequence mixed up.

Really, if this was an opening for a track, nobody would hear that this were 2 different synths. And they really are.

Agreed.
Surprisingly.
Maybe because the snippets are so short and so close together, the ear doesn't get time to readjust? Have no idea..

Did you find the two close in other examples other than this specific patch/config?
rsp

I won't spend too much time on this..hehehe. Want to make music as well ofcourse. But i just couldn't believe Ingo wasn't able to recreate such a simple patch in OB-Xa V. He never really tried, imo. I was able to do this in a couple of minutes, really.

After playing with both synths, i find both synths really good. Again, i don't know the original, but these two synths sound really nice. And they approach the orignal in 2 different ways, which is neat!

To my ears though, i tend to lean towards OB-Xa V. The MSEG mod's, the FX and the way the env's work suit me a tad (really, just a tad) better. But i'll use both for sure

[exmatproton]

Tried the same. Succeeded (after 2 minutes of work) to get the sound almost the same, by which point i found the sound of Arturia's patch sound better... ..Punchier and a bit more low end. SO the patches are not the same, but they are close.

I doubt that the Arturia plugin sounds better (actually for my taste OBsession sounds MUCH better...) but do you have a screenshot of my OBsession bass patch being replicated in Arturia OB-Xa V? I got the demo version and it looks i can not load patch files there.

FWIW with similar envelope knob settings the envelopes in Arturia OB-Xa V are MUCH slower than in OBsession.

So, don't use the same env. settings

Here's the screenshots of the pages;

OB-Xa V page 1.JPG

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OB-Xa V page 2.JPG

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OB-Xa V page 3.JPG

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Enjoy! And again, they are not exactly the same ofcourse. But close enough after a couple of minutes for sure

[zerocrossing]

if it sounds as good as their "legend" plugin its more or less a no brainer for oberheim hunters. paranoid hunters just wait for a starsky carr test on youtube ;D

…where he compares it to an OB-6, for some reason.

Maybe he didn't have an OB-Xa laying around...

I'm more interested in a video comparing the Arturia version to the Synapse to see if there's some differences that make it worth owning both.

I have both and while I don’t have the time to make a full comparison video, it’s easy enough to get a demo and see for yourself. I was kind of surprised at how different they seem to be. The oscillators sound very similar, but they seem to diverge from each other pretty quickly after you start using the filters. I can’t really tell you which one is a closer emulation, as it’s been far too many years since I played an OB-Xa...

My take on the two emulations is that I feel the Arturia felt more intuitive to use and the filters sound a bit darker and it overall has a more “focused” kind of sound. Resonance goes higher without resorting to hitting the mod matrix and still sounds really good. Right out of the box it responds to poly aftertouch, where Synapse’s does not. Synapse does have MPE, though, which I find important and more than enough of a reason to get it in addition to the Arturia. I really feel they’re both very good synths and any claim to superiority is personal taste. I’m sure one is a better emulation in terms of closeness to the original, but I really don’t care about that. I just look for a good sounding synth, and in this respect, I don’t think you could go wrong with either, or both.

[exmatproton]

this is the sequence

OB x VS.JPG

[Arashi]

That "Low Saw Bass" is from me and i just tried to replicate it in the demo version of Arturia OB-Xa V.

A bunch of the presets I like have your name on them. Good work. It’s not hard to get this thing to sound good, but I feel most of the presets are well crafted (and the ones that didn’t grab me are probably someone else’s favorite).

[akira2]

Please add a sub OSC !

[TIMT]

Well,this was disappointing.this honestly just sounds like Dune to me with a "specialised"sound.same for Legend too.they all have a Synapse house sound that sounds a bit tame to me(i could go into specifics but not much point when every reply to this now is going to be "it's practically identical and you wont be able to tell in a mix... ") .still a damn sight better than the Arturia offering,but i'll stick with my OB-6,Matrix 6 and 1000 for that Obie poly stuff

[Ingonator]

So, don't use the same env. settings

Here's the screenshots of the pages;
...........

Enjoy! And again, they are not exactly the same ofcourse. But close enough after a couple of minutes for sure

Have not replicated yet but i can already see a big differnce in the filter keytracking settings. With my OBsession patch i used +33 (= 33%) in the mod matrix and i used the same value in OB-Xa V. In OBsession i assigned a "Const" source to "Flt KeyTrk" while the KEY button in the main GUI is activated. This overrides the default keytracking value of 100%.
In the screenshot you also set a keytracking value for the envelope amount which in my OBsession patch was not done and also not necessary.

[zvenx]

Well,this was disappointing.this honestly just sounds like Dune to me with a "specialised"sound.same for Legend too.they all have a Synapse house sound that sounds a bit tame to me(i could go into specifics but not much point when every reply to this now is going to be "it's practically identical and you wont be able to tell in a mix... ") .still a damn sight better than the Arturia offering,but i'll stick with my OB-6,Matrix 6 and 1000 for that Obie poly stuff

Are you a roll your own kind of guy or more a preset guy (I am in this category).

Now that I have gone thru every preset, and like I said I am a preset person.
Here is how I look at it:

There are of course a few factory patches that do remind me of the OB series that I grew with and loved. These do have the OB vibe, and take be back 'there'. But I think many of the better patches are really non traditional OB territory and indeed do sound more like some of the presets in Dune.
I have mentioned it before. I think KS is a fantastic EDM style, sound designer.. I love his patches in Dune, in Hive for instance, but I don't think he is the best person (or maybe his instructions were what limited him in that way) to do the more traditional OB territory. And because he is all over Dune and this, I can hear the link which may be what you are hearing.

So I have decided to enjoy it for what it is: A really really good sounding synth (for me it is approximately Diva good, but not quite Repro quality), and whatever patch inspires me, use it in whatever fashion and genre it leads me to and not just think of it as an OB Emulation.

I figure over time more traditional Oberheim patches will come. I would love to hear what a Big Tone or an Electric Himalaya or a Dave Spiers sound bank would sound like with this beautiful beast.

my two cents
rsp

[exmatproton]

So, don't use the same env. settings

Here's the screenshots of the pages;
...........

Enjoy! And again, they are not exactly the same ofcourse. But close enough after a couple of minutes for sure

Have not replicated yet but i can already see a big differnce in the filter keytracking settings. With my OBsession patch i used +33 (= 33%) in the mod matrix and i used the same value in OB-Xa V. In OBsession i assigned a "Const" source to "Flt KeyTrk" while the KEY button in the main GUI is activated. This overrides the default keytracking value of 100%.
In the screenshot you also set a keytracking value for the envelope amount which in my OBsession patch was not done and also not necessary.

So? I don't get your point. You said you weren't able to recreate it, not even close.

I recreated the patch and came so close you can't hear the difference in that audio example. Seems ligit. Also, i never said it was exactly the same! Just did this in 2 minutes or so. Also, i didn't bother to get the modwheel sound the same (never touched that in OB-Xa V). This is just the basic patch.

SO yeah, 2 different synths, different possibilties. If you don't like Arturia's OB-Xa V, just de-install it. But i am sure, if you give it some time and play with it some more, you can see that both synths are very good, in different ways (if you ask me).

However, they both do SOUND awesome. And i find it really weird that you don't think some one could love the sound of OB-Xa V more then Obsession. Kinda narrow minded, if you ask me.

[Ingonator]

So, don't use the same env. settings

Here's the screenshots of the pages;
...........

Enjoy! And again, they are not exactly the same ofcourse. But close enough after a couple of minutes for sure

Have not replicated yet but i can already see a big differnce in the filter keytracking settings. With my OBsession patch i used +33 (= 33%) in the mod matrix and i used the same value in OB-Xa V. In OBsession i assigned a "Const" source to "Flt KeyTrk" while the KEY button in the main GUI is activated. This overrides the default keytracking value of 100%.
In the screenshot you also set a keytracking value for the envelope amount which in my OBsession patch was not done and also not necessary.

So? I don't get your point. You said you weren't able to recreate it, not even close.

I recreated the patch and came so close you can't hear the difference in that audio example. Seems ligit. Also, i never said it was exactly the same! Just did this in 2 minutes or so. Also, i didn't bother to get the modwheel sound the same (never touched that in OB-Xa V). This is just the basic patch.

SO yeah, 2 different synths, different possibilties. If you don't like Arturia's OB-Xa V, just de-install it. But i am sure, if you give it some time and play with it some more, you can see that both synths are very good, in different ways (if you ask me).

However, they both do SOUND awesome. And i find it really weird that you don't think some one could love the sound of OB-Xa V more then Obsession. Kinda narrow minded, if you ask me.

Just replicated the settings from your screenshots and they indeed sound very close now while i still prefer how it sounds in OBsession (and this a general opinion about OB-Xa V and not just this specific patch...). The main problem with this indeed seemed to be the keytracking setting which is totally differnt than my setting in OBsession (-1.00 in OB-X V vs +33 in OBsession). In OBesession there is also no need to set the keytracking for the envelope amount.

I also noticed that in your screnshot you used 4 unison voices while in OBsession i only used 2. I also did only use 2 voices when i just replicated the patch in OB-Xa V.

[exmatproton]

So, don't use the same env. settings

Here's the screenshots of the pages;
...........

Enjoy! And again, they are not exactly the same ofcourse. But close enough after a couple of minutes for sure

Have not replicated yet but i can already see a big differnce in the filter keytracking settings. With my OBsession patch i used +33 (= 33%) in the mod matrix and i used the same value in OB-Xa V. In OBsession i assigned a "Const" source to "Flt KeyTrk" while the KEY button in the main GUI is activated. This overrides the default keytracking value of 100%.
In the screenshot you also set a keytracking value for the envelope amount which in my OBsession patch was not done and also not necessary.

So? I don't get your point. You said you weren't able to recreate it, not even close.

I recreated the patch and came so close you can't hear the difference in that audio example. Seems ligit. Also, i never said it was exactly the same! Just did this in 2 minutes or so. Also, i didn't bother to get the modwheel sound the same (never touched that in OB-Xa V). This is just the basic patch.

SO yeah, 2 different synths, different possibilties. If you don't like Arturia's OB-Xa V, just de-install it. But i am sure, if you give it some time and play with it some more, you can see that both synths are very good, in different ways (if you ask me).

However, they both do SOUND awesome. And i find it really weird that you don't think some one could love the sound of OB-Xa V more then Obsession. Kinda narrow minded, if you ask me.

Just replicated the settings from your screenshots and they indeed sound very close now while i still prefer how it sounds in OBsession (and this a general opinion about OB-Xa V and not just this specific patch...). The main problem with this indeed seemed to be the keytracking setting which is totally differnt than my setting in OBsession (-1.00 in OB-X V vs +33 in OBsession). In OBesession there is also no need to set the keytracking for the envelope amount.

Then, it comes to taste. However, again, in that audio sample you really can't tell the difference.
So it really doesn't matter.

This is, however (#2), on a very simple patch, so i can imagine filters, envelopes and options (etc), will make the difference in sound bigger. And then it comes to taste ofcourse.

Either way, both synths sound good, with (for me) a slight edge on Arturia's side. And for you, Synapse's side.

[Ingonator]

Independent of the basic sound also the differences in features and differnt sounding effects make it impossible to replicate all my patches in OB-Xa V. For me OBsession simply works perfectly "as is" and it is a "true instrument" for me and not just another synth.
As just seen with replicating that Bass patch some things also seem to work differently in OB-Xa V which could be a bit confusing after having done tons of patches with OBsession.

[Yorrrrrr]

For anyone who's interested, here's a previous post from Richard making a comparison between the OB-Xa unit he modeled and Obsession:

"Here's another comparison, this time for the OB-XA vs the emulation we are working on:

http://www.synapse-audio.com/obxa-comparisons.zip

Again it is two runs for both hardware/software. This is particularly important for the OB-XA, since each note triggers a difference voice, and each voice has its own timbre, in addition to the varying oscillator phases. So playing the same sequence multiple times leads to a different output each time.

Richard"

Could you guys tell the difference if you were blind tested? For me the differences are so minuscule (or non existent), I wouldn't even care anymore. Obsession is great.