Synapse Audio OBSESSION is now available!

[Ingonator]

Talking about patches soon i want to finally update my polyphonic factory presets for The Legend with the new 8 voice mode. I had alraedy started with it but then spent most time with the OBsession beta.

I didn't know about an 8 voice mode, just the 4 voice. Is that a brand new version that just isn't released yet or is it available now?

A "Poly 8" mode is included in the latest official version v1.31. Version 1.3 seems to be around 1 year old now.

[Examigan]

Ok thanks. I haven’t been following it much lately, but I just checked on their site it says 4 voice not 8.

[Arashi]

Ok thanks. I haven’t been following it much lately, but I just checked on their site it says 4 voice not 8.

Looks like the Poly-8 mode was added in version 1.3, a little over a year ago. I hadn't noticed it to be honest.

[e-crooner]

A perfectionist notices inconsistencies, precision is part of my job. I am not saying that one does not understand the way it is now or that it is a problem, but it continues to be an inconsistency. I often notice that with engineers. They are good at technology, but otherwise a bit sloppy.

Not be be nit-picky but "perfectionist" and "nit-picking loser" are synonyms. But a perfectionist would also notice that the labels do actually read identically - Voice Adjustment Edit in both cases, followed by "Active/Mute". Only the last "Voice" is removed as it would be redundant in the 16 voice layout. I'm surprised you didn't pick that up. Obviously the non-native speakers at Synapse did and got it 100% right. I'm also surprised you haven't bought up the fact that the "Oscillators" label isn't centred within it's section. It's the first thing I notice every time I open the GUI.

"perfectionist" and "nit-picking loser" are synonyms

That statement says much more about you than about perfectionists

No idea why you don't get the difference, I will just quote myself in order to save time:

Sorry, I do think that they section titles are different.
In 8-voice mode you have "voice adjustment edit" and "active/mute voice" as section titles of the same hierarchy level.
In 16-voice mode you have "voice adjustment" as the major section title with two sub-sections entitled "edit" and "active/mute".

[Mutant]

So...
About that 1984 sound again.

Forget for a moment about emulation closeness and just answer these questions:
Which one do you prefer, or do you like them both the same ?
Are they close or very different to you ?

Download 24bit FLAC at 88200hz for best quality, don't use the preview.
https://app.box.com/s/ul62ca4989ox2mhc2hkb64cwdfw22lqu
https://app.box.com/s/7j8r78zahwoxi8b9z33usba6g04husx2

[v1o]

Envelope shape is slightly wrong.
Should be a very easy fix though.

Check it against Van Halen - 1984.

I said more @ GS.

More on this topic here on KVR:
viewtopic.php?t=436914

Most pics timed out in that 5 year old thread, so i'll attach some here to make sure we are on the same wavelength:
analog adsr.jpg
VH1984


va linear adsr.jpg
diva adsr.jpg
Both wrong shape VA.


va nonlinear adsr.jpg
zebra2 adsr.jpg
Both right shape VA.

It's far easier to compare to an actual hardware OBXA. Than a supposed recording of one from an old record. I know they had a OBXA on the video, but on the recording they could have used something else.

[tony10000]

Just playing around with some of the parameters in real time using Obsession. 3 tracks of Obsession plus one played live.

[Mutant]

It's far easier to compare to an actual hardware OBXA. Than a supposed recording of one from an old record. I know they had a OBXA on the video, but on the recording they could have used something else.

Check the covers made with a real OB-Xa on YT.
Some have audio quality not high enough to hear/see the upper notes resonance, but i think most are good enough to hear the lower note well enough.

[Yorrrrrr]

Envelope shape is slightly wrong.
Should be a very easy fix though.

Check it against Van Halen - 1984.

I said more @ GS.

More on this topic here on KVR:
viewtopic.php?t=436914

Most pics timed out in that 5 year old thread, so i'll attach some here to make sure we are on the same wavelength:
analog adsr.jpg
VH1984


va linear adsr.jpg
diva adsr.jpg
Both wrong shape VA.


va nonlinear adsr.jpg
zebra2 adsr.jpg
Both right shape VA.

It's far easier to compare to an actual hardware OBXA. Than a supposed recording of one from an old record. I know they had a OBXA on the video, but on the recording they could have used something else.

Indeed. And then we have to remember that in vintage analog world, there are differences as well in each unit of a synthesizer. There are well calibrated and maintained ones, “golden” ones, revised versions, recapped versions, totally broken ones, and everything in between. So...in the end we have to compare Obsession with the particular OB-Xa unit Richard modeled when developing the plugin.

But let's forget that for a moment, and just enjoy Obsession as it is, regardless of the closeness to the original. The OB magic and character is well recreated there, IMHO.

[Examigan]

Ok thanks. I haven’t been following it much lately, but I just checked on their site it says 4 voice not 8.

Looks like the Poly-8 mode was added in version 1.3, a little over a year ago. I hadn't noticed it to be honest.

Thanks, I just emailed Richard and he said he will update the site.

[Niowiad]

The envelope ranges are very different. Perhaps one is linear and the other is exponential…or maybe it's more complicated than that. As with most of these things, you have to pretty much ignore the knob positions and just use your ear.

Ranges are definitely very different

As far as shape, they seem pretty similar (i.e. not as much of a difference between linear and exponential)

don't mind the colors too much, besides the less/more pronounced resonance behaviour from one to another, I didn't match the sounds too much but just I wanted to see the envelope shape

[Mutant]

No, the "smooth transition" from attack to sustain is caused by the Decay segment of the envelope.

Are you sure you know what i am talking about ?
Because using any Decay setting other than zero would totally not do what you are talking about, especially with sustain at 100%.

Have you not heard of a "compressor"?

Are you sure you know what i am talking about ?
Because a compressor would totally not have any effect on the frequency of the resonance peak.

Of course you do when you are being so anal retentive about the whole thing.

Do we want a perfect emulation or not ?
Why are you so agressive defensive about it ?
It is a small thing even most gearheads here apparently can't hear that would be fixable in less than 5 minutes.

[Mutant]

And some more detailed control over the "organic" knob would be nice too.

Good news, that's what the voice adjustment panels are for. The Organic knob just saves you the tedium of going through each voice and creating offsets manually.

Are these individual voice settings offsets static or dynamic ?
If static, then it is totally not what i was talking about.

[Arashi]

Ranges are definitely very different

As far as shape, they seem pretty similar (i.e. not as much of a difference between linear and exponential)

don't mind the colors too much, besides the less/more pronounced resonance behaviour from one to another, I didn't match the sounds too much but just I wanted to see the envelope shape

How do you make these graphs? Does that show all the possible values for each of the time stages? If there’s a simple way to measure and visualize the shape of envelopes I’d love to know about it. It’s all just trial and error for me, hitting the same key over and over trying to tune envelopes by ear (then hitting another key and realizing I have to tune the key tracking now too).

I wish every soft synth reported actual time values for the ADR stages of envelopes instead of 0–100. The attack knobs on Obsession have to be set to 50% to match 5–10% on the OB-Xa V. I haven’t tested the max values on either one; guess that would be the way to find out if they have a different curve.

[e-crooner]

Sorry, I do think that they section titles are different.
In 8-voice mode you have "voice adjustment edit" and "active/mute voice" as section titles of the same hierarchy level.
In 16-voice mode you have "voice adjustment" as the major section title with two sub-sections entitled "edit" and "active/mute".

Well, just to show you how completely brainless you are, I shall take your quote and organise it as it appears on the OBSession GUI -
In 16-voice mode you have "voice adjustment"... "edit" and "active/mute".
Now, in 8 voice mode you have "voice adjustment edit" and "active/mute voices". The second "voice"(s) is necessary because the layout separates the two sets of controls in 8 voice mode. Grammar and usage is all 100% correct in each case and it is completely consistent between the two modes. To continue the brainless theme, anyone with a brain can look at the GUI, see and understand exactly why it has been done this way, yet you seem to struggle.

You should know by now that trying to offend me will only backfire...

I am not struggling with anything, but I consider it my duty to point at inconsistencies. Of course most people are used to sloppiness and inconsistencies, so they will compensate for them automatically as they try to make sense of things.
But since correcting other people's mistakes is part of my profession, things like that stand out like a sore thumb. Either you get it or you don't, or you claim you don't...