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David · Post by **David** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:39 pm

Not better price particularly, but more likely to be useful for a scoring beginner with a not-too-new computer (2015 27-in. iMac, w/24G Ram):

https://vstbuzz.com/deals/73-off-the-co ... antum-leap

https://www.ilio.com/vienna-ensemble-pr ... =late-june

Any thoughts welcome—TIA!!

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:13 pm

Well, this is far from apples to apples comparison.
You do get an orchestra w. VE Pro, but it’s pretty basic.
Last year VSL made some improvements to Epic Orchestra, but the number of articulations looks more or less like their demo libraries in Kontakt.

That said, the EWQL product is seriously long in the tooth, and that price reflects that.
Also note that this time expiring push you see is bullshit. They’ll do the same sale again not far down the road unless they exhaust their stock. But the price is unremarkable, it reflects the current market.

The Play engine is so inferior to VSL’s Vienna Instrument it isn’t even funny.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:15 pm

If you do plan on getting serious about orchestration, get VEP7 on sale, just do it.

You will get the basic Vienna Instrument with the Epic Orchestra, so three licenses. Which reside on a Steinberg dongle.

I cannot recommend anything EWQL Play. To my worldview EWQL been fumbling the ball since the 00s, ie., kinda all along.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:19 pm

Afaik the three license are no more. You just get one. Additional licenses are also on sale too.
rsp

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:22 pm

That’s right. The three VEP licenses ended w. v.7.
I’m referring to 1) VEP; 2) Vienna Instrument; & 3) Epic Orchestra.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:40 pm

Thanks!

If you do plan on getting serious about orchestration…

I wouldn't say that's a good description for me; I guess "a scoring beginner" wasn't a well chosen phrase. I'm just wanting some orchestral sounds with at least a few added articulations, moreso than in this UVI collection for instance.

I'm more than OK with the demo sounds of the EW offering, and like the added choirs, certainly…and DON'T like the idea of spending an extra $30 on another dongle…

So, basically just a hobbyist synth player looking for some new sounds, not moving to a new level of compositional thinking. And also having a tough time wading through all the networking and multi-computer options in the Vienna universe, which are definitely not anything I'd be doing.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:03 pm

I’ve used VEP exclusively on a single MBP since 2017.

See the other thread here; w. Smart Spheres they are after a hybrid of acoustic basis and electronic, a few patches come w. Epic 2.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:40 pm

Yeah, the demos for the VSL Epic Orch ARE great:)

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:56 pm

jancivil wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:22 pm That’s right. The three VEP licenses ended w. v.7.
I’m referring to 1) VEP; 2) Vienna Instrument; & 3) Epic Orchestra.

Now I am confused.
What is VEP vs VEP v7? Just an older version?
And aren't we discussing VEP v7, the one on sale?
Very confused.
rsp

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:40 pm

Before v.7 the purchase gave you 3 VEP licenses. For a higher price than is current iirc.
Any purchase of VEP gets you three products: VEP; a Vienna Instruments license, which has the upgrade path to VI Pro; and an Epic Orchestra license.

Which is better current Orchestra deal: Illo or East West?