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jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:43 pm

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Solo STRINGS, yeah it’s not there

cleverr1 · Post by **cleverr1** » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:42 pm

Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:29 pm @cleverr1 Are you sure, there are any solo strings in the BBCSO Core, because I didn't find any on the product page:
https://spitfireaudio.zendesk.com/hc/en ... O-contain-
I would gladly be proven wrong on this.

No you're correct, that's my mistake - I'd read somewhere that core was the same as pro except for the multiple mic positions, but there are obviously more differences. The string "leader" patches are indeed unavailable in core.

I jumped on the pro version when it was discounted at £679 and at £280 more than the regular price of core I didn't do a detailed comparison. Core was also a steal at £299 at the time.

Scarlet Pumpernickel · Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:54 pm

Yeah, if the solo strings were there, BBCSO Core would be a a done deal for me, but as it is I'm looking more towards the Albion ONE.

EDIT: Although there's "Tableau Solo Strings" on sale right now (89Eur); don't know how well they will blend BBCSO.

JO512 · Post by **JO512** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:13 pm

I appreciate the advice of everyone in this thread.

I've been exploring options and am experiencing a bit of choice paralysis! I think, for now, I am going to work with what I have, what is available for free, and so on, while I learn more, and if I am still interested around Black Friday or Christmas, maybe I'll do something then. For one thing, my computer is old and I don't know how well it will handle some of those big libraries. It is a Core i5 2500 with 16GB of RAM and only about 400GB of storage to spare. I bought it in 2011! If I were to get a serious library, I'd surely have to upgrade my machine also. Altogether, that's more money than I can spend on this stuff right now!

On a different note, has anyone experimented much with a physically modeled violin, such as Serenade III, which you can get for free from the user library if you have Reaktor? To my uneducated ear, it sounds fantastically realistic. I'm amazed it's free. Perhaps programming it to perform realistically would be too cumbersome though. I guess with sample libraries, we benefit from the ability of the performers to properly play their instruments. This physically modeled violin is like an instrument that we must learn to play properly ourselves! I wonder if anyone has done serious work with it. It seems that one could put together a library of bowing patterns for it as something like automation items in Reaper.

cleverr1 · Post by **cleverr1** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:46 pm

Whilst you're reviewing the bigger libraries you could fill in the Spitfire questionnaire and get BBCSO Discover for free. You get 35 instruments covering 47 different articulations and it's a tiny 200MB. They'll also give you a free template for your DAW. To me it looks great for sketching out ideas quickly, and it's free. What's not to like?

JO512 · Post by **JO512** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:32 pm

cleverr1 wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:46 pm...you could fill in the Spitfire questionnaire and get BBCSO Discover for free.

I already filled it out and am waiting to get the free library, but thanks anyway for the suggestion!

Scarlet Pumpernickel · Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:26 pm

Also with Discover you'll get $50 off the BBCSO Core.

JO512 · Post by **JO512** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:40 pm

Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:26 pm Also with Discover you'll get $50 off the BBCSO Core.

Is that in addition to the current 30% off for first-timers sale?

JO512 · Post by **JO512** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:49 pm

I was experimenting this morning with programming the free Serenade III physically modeled strings in the Reaktor user library. The violin and cello in this are made this way, while the quieter background chords are NI's Session Strings 2.

https://soundcloud.com/user-260326741/r ... 3m6avG0SC8

I don't really know what I am doing yet, and I don't know much about how bowed instruments should sound, but this seems pretty realistic to me. As I learn to shape the automation curves to bow the notes, I am seeing a lot of potential for nuanced expression that probably wouldn't be possible with a sample library.

Putting my lacking composition skills aside, do you more experienced people find the basic sound of the instrument convincing?

Another advantage of physical modeling is that there is no noise from mics, amps, and whatnot.

One thing I notice is that the beginning of notes and the automation curves for bowing seemingly need to be advanced a bit on the timeline, as there is a bit of a delay.

szurcio · Post by **szurcio** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:57 pm

It sounds more like an electric violin, not a regular violin.

Scarlet Pumpernickel · Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:39 pm

Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:26 pm Also with Discover you'll get $50 off the BBCSO Core.

I can not say for sure as I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I believe, I'm mostly in a same boat as you are - looking for a good starting symphonic library. I am currently also considering Nucleus (https://www.audioimperia.com/products/nucleus) that should go on sale eventually. It offers ensembles, sections and some soloists (e.g no clarinet) with to microphone mixes, but lacks in articulations. To me it sounds at least very decent.

JO512 · Post by **JO512** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:05 pm

szurcio wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:57 pm It sounds more like an electric violin, not a regular violin.

How about now? I used a different reverb treatment (convolution instead of CloudSeed), tried to spatialize the violin and oboe a bit, cut out the compression and saturation, and cut out the Session Strings background so you can better Serenade III.

https://soundcloud.com/user-260326741/r ... XrO76uG8Ku

JO512 · Post by **JO512** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:07 pm

Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:39 pm
Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:26 pm Also with Discover you'll get $50 off the BBCSO Core.
I can not say for sure as I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I believe, I'm mostly in a same boat as you are - looking for a good starting symphonic library. I am currently also considering Nucleus (https://www.audioimperia.com/products/nucleus) that should go on sale eventually. It offers ensembles, sections and some soloists (e.g no clarinet) with to microphone mixes, but lacks in articulations. To me it sounds at least very decent.

Okay, thanks! Yeah, I was looking at Nucleus as well.

JO512 · Post by **JO512** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:12 pm

Wow, check out how this guy is using Serenade III with a Leap motion controller!

Tekkera · Post by **Tekkera** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:15 pm

JO512 wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:13 pm On a different note, has anyone experimented much with a physically modeled violin, such as Serenade III, which you can get for free from the user library if you have Reaktor?

It's honestly just easier to hire someone on fiverr or something with a mediocre performance. Solo violins are impossible to get right unless you're playing to the exact strengths of a library or plugin.

The modeled string plugins out there are actually very impressive, but they take an immense amount of work to get sounding close to correct.

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