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xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:59 pm

here man, smoke this and then listen to the cosmic monster sound of me tapping a fingernail on this drum f**king spot on, innit. that's high tech shit right there.

are you ready to get behind this technology as implication of '500 years of imperialism,' as the native americans and african americans call it or what??

go on, sit in your rows of frozen homes and say how preposterous a nomadic culture in the tropics is. vote with your wallets, buy more gas and torture, enough for everyone! all are welcome

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:01 pm

pough wrote:
munchkin wrote:
bluedad wrote:
munchkin wrote:I
Put it this way you wouldn't visit KVR to show off your latest pop hit.
oh really? I push them every chance I get.
You mean you show of your Kylie/Britney/Eric Prydz/R Kelly pop tunes here? How long would your reputation last?
Now you're making me want to produce pop!

Let's make pop just to shake things up around here!

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:08 pm

If you like to experiment and want to show case your music then here is a very interesting and supportive place to start, Resonance FM. Right now they're playing Klesma.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:10 pm

I am doing pop - what's wrong about that?

- pop means you can pack it in three and a half minutes
- pop means you have a hookline, a strong theme
- pop means you're able to reach a lot of different people with a lot of different tastes in music.
- pop means you aren't enslaved by stoopid genres.
- pop means you know what you're doing

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:11 pm

rurik ...

... dont think anyone has yet tried to connect experimentation to technology as far as this thread is concerned ...

slainte

rob

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:18 pm

pHz wrote:rurik ...

... dont think anyone has yet tried to connect experimentation to technology as far as this thread is concerned ...

slainte :wink: rob

wtf did i just do sucker?

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:20 pm

xoxos wrote:
pHz wrote:rurik ...
... dont think anyone has yet tried to connect experimentation to technology as far as this thread is concerned ...
slainte rob
wtf did i just do sucker?

try to sidetrack this thread to distract us from the hilarity of you quoting womble lyrics elsewhere ???

slainte

rob

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:21 pm

womble

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:28 pm

pHz wrote:
xoxos wrote:
pHz wrote:rurik ...
... dont think anyone has yet tried to connect experimentation to technology as far as this thread is concerned ...
slainte :wink: rob
wtf did i just do sucker?
try to sidetrack this thread to distract us from the hilarity of you quoting womble lyrics elsewhere ???

slainte :hihi: rob

same deal both cases.. i presumed that was the original intent ;)

..regardless of what the conscious mind reports?? :p

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:29 pm

...

slainte

rob

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:46 pm

I wrote a big speil about this sorta stuff as first post. Well, I had to make some sort of splash

(then I didnt post for ages

)

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=#473185

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:09 pm

it would be helpful for me if someone would define experimetal music. I believe there is quite sophisticated theorey behind some of the noodling/ abstract thingys. And like some modern artists, while people might not like the art, and it may even appear simplistic, I'm sure there is a great deal of postmodern appropriation behind it. Still can't dance to it.

It leaves me with a couple of questions:
at what point does music, like literature, intentionally unwrite itself unto unitelligibility? Is most experimental art negatively defined - breaking existing conventions as opposed to positing new ones not reactively formulated?

I think the beauty of the vsti/computer world is the tremendous rush of creativity one feels; the experience of creative power beyond many of our (my) actual technical abilities).

It also seems a little disingenuos when older musical styles are co-opted by foreign cultures and deemed "experimental". I suppose it is experimental for the coopting culture but the music itself has been around for a long time. (digieridoos, whilst cool, are not experimental in the big picture. In fact, they may be the most "trie and true" instrument?)

Often the discussions about music exist in a tension between the poles of artistic conception/theory/intent and the other pole of does it sound good/elicit feelings I desire to feel. Perhaps it is reader-response theorey applied acoustically.

Anyways, I'm rambling. I think a lot of "experimental" stuff is crap. Just like the beginning poets in college english courses are pure drivel factories. But you gotta' start somewhere. Contrary to some thinking, I think it is the artists ability to integrate feedback without losing the original vision that keeps music from being purely greeting-card repitition: this kind of attitude promotes excellence either in the coffe haus or the dancefloor.

The experimental stuff is BB, so is the pop stuff.
But it sure is fun!

tuz · Post by **tuz** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:22 pm

if it sounds good to at least a few people, my tunes that I try and create with my limited scope can be defined as blinkered experimentations that do minimum harm in terms of wasted time. I admit I have no direction right now and I lack a lot of technical skills. However, I try and come up with the most original tunes, limited by my capabilities. Most of the stuff I hear at KvR are beyond what I imagine myself being able to do... can be very discouraging at times.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:23 pm

ouroboros wrote:it would be helpful for me if someone would define experimetal music. I believe there is quite sophisticated theorey behind some of the noodling/ abstract thingys.

I think this defines the difference between experimental music and noodling. There is an intent behind the experimentation. A plan that is thought out in a rigourous manner. I imagine that's how Stockhausen and Cage approached their compositions. And that's what's expected from an artist whether they are of the sonic variety or from another area of art.

I enjoy the plays of Howard Barker ('Scenes From An Execution' - an excellant play to see - or read - because it looks at the role of art and artist in society.) He attacks the modernist concept that art needs to have meaning and that its role is to enlighten or educate. He criticises this concept because he believes that it negates the emotional connection that art has with the person experiencing it. In light of this I suppose he would question whether experimentation has to incorporate intent or to even have a plan.

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:29 pm

munchkin wrote: He attacks the modernist concept that art needs to have meaning and that its role is to enlighten or educate. He criticises this concept because he believes that it negates the emotional connection that art has with the person experiencing it. In light of this I suppose he would question whether experimentation has to incorporate intent or to even have a plan.

And yet his play seems to have an intent...

But I do agree. The subsequent question for me is, after abandoning content or diadactic content, and focusing only on emotion/feeling - is there anything left.

I think so, but is emotion content-free? I think I am of the opinion now that the structure of emotion is that, structure with biological and social connection and meaning, at least individually. Beyond that lies ? DaDa-ism. Don't know really but fun to think about.

I am enjoying your thoughts Munchkin!

bleeding edge experimentation or blinkered bullshit ???