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[antic604]

No way. RE possibilities came and went, opportunity window lost by props.

The only way going forward is to get it into more peoples hands right now -- the audio marketplace is saturated in most areas. Oddly enough DAWS isn't one of them , and props for all intensive purposes abandoned the DAW aspect. There's a good handful lot of DAWS, but there's a billions Reverbs, Delays, Comps, etc).

Right now their best bet is to focus on what they already do with the rack which is somewhat still unique in the industry.. They can then get VSTs to load in, they can also focus on building devices which has *always* been their focus, and then the populace can have a tried-and-true psuedo eurorack as a plugin that does damn near everything, and a few things nothing else does. More hands now = more hands later, the product is solid.

That's the game if they were smart about it at this point.

I don't see it that way.

If you're a VST developer, you will likely be able to easily (perhaps even in automated way) convert your VST into an RE that can be used as a AU, AAX, AUv3, web plugin and in hardware. For next to no work, with additional benefits I've mentioned, for a share in sale price.

Reason's rack isn't its selling point anymore. Lots of DAWs lets you now do modular stuff out of the box, there's counless modular synths & FX. THIS ship has sailed few years ago, when Props could've easily take advantage of growing fascination with Eurorack.

But we'll see. Probably we're both wrong

Right now I'm much more excited to see what Presonus goona show on 7/7

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I see it that way. Became interested in Reason as my first DAW, I really like it, then they introduced RE. I was like: no way!

Waited for Bitwig and never looked back.

[antic604]

...then they introduced RE. I was like: no way!

Can you please expand on it? Their idea for why they wanted to do it sounded pretty reasonable to me. The only thing they lacked was commitment (to expend & promote the platform) and restraint (from outcompeting 3rd parties with their own devices).

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@antic604

Well, if I remember well, they introduced RE with the addition: VST will become obsolete. I immediately got a Betamax erlebnis flashback. The CEO made an arrogant impression on me. That said, I was planning to buy a DAW and keep it. So I did

[WasteLand]

great for reason 10 users..
asume it will load all RE's you have, of reason 10, and the ones you bought.

me i am counting now, it it was worth buying reason 11 suite, update/upgrade, sometimes they call it diferent.

[antic604]

@antic604

Well, if I remember well, they introduced RE with the addition: VST will become obsolete. I immediately got a Betamax erlebnis flashback. The CEO made an arrogant impression on me. That said, I was planning to buy a DAW and keep it. So I did

I don't think that was what they were implying. They just wanted to give Reason users more freedom in terms of devices they can use and a much better experience using them by ensuring that:
- Reason feels like a closed, tightly curated system
- it's safe, i.e. there's no threat from viruses
- it's legit, because you can't pirate RE
- it's integrated, because no matter who developed the RE it's one login & password to buy, install, update them
- that they're 100% guaranteed to work & take full advantage of the DAW (CV patching, pattern tracks, automation, etc.), platform independant and 100% stable (sandboxed).

I think those were very good & noble goals and in a lot of way they really succeeded. Say you want to install Reason + few hundreds of REs on a new computer? You just fire it up, set few things up in 5-10 minutes, come back few hours later and it's all there ready to go. Try doing that with hundreds of VSTs from multiple vendors! Same with updating - it's just one click with REs and you have ALL of your REs updated. With (majority of) VSTs you need to first find out there even is an update, then find your login & password, download & install it. And repeat dozens of time a year.

They just dropped the ball with developing the environment & dev tools fast enough, with maintaining good & lasting relations with big players who initially jumped on board (U-He, Softube, etc.), with helping small 3rd party devs to fluorish, with their customers by making weird sales decisions & restrictive re-sell policy...

Although I have to give you that their early videos sound kind of ...smug

[antic604]

great for reason 10 users..
asume it will load all RE's you have, of reason 10, and the ones you bought.

No, only the ones you bought. Not the ones that are in 10, but are not in 11 Lite (e.g. Grain, Europa, etc.)

[WasteLand]

I didn't know where to post it, because it's both instrument, audio & MIDI FX. It isn't a DAW though, because Reason itself seems to be absent from it:

The above sadly does mean Reason DAW might take a 2nd or 3rd seat in Reason Studios' products portfolio, which I guess is something to be worried about if you're a user/fan

your prediction was right. i think the main attraction will be the instruments and effects that aren't VST, i.e. only for reason (rack plugin).

but how is the policy, can you buy thor as a RE, now?

[WasteLand]

great for reason 10 users..
asume it will load all RE's you have, of reason 10, and the ones you bought.

No, only the ones you bought. Not the ones that are in 10, but are not in 11 Lite (e.g. Grain, Europa, etc.)

so thor will not work in reason plugin plugin, for instance? if you have reason 10? why do i ask, i want to know, how it works. i will stay with reason 11 suite, the stuff i use, is mainly the new stuff i got, so... and as DAW, i use it also, not that much, but certainly for programming the synths.

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@antic604

As a potential new user, I didn't get the message, though.

[antic604]

so thor will not work in reason plugin plugin, for instance? if you have reason 10? why do i ask, i want to know, how it works. i will stay with reason 11 suite, the stuff i use, is mainly the new stuff i got, so... and as DAW, i use it also, not that much, but certainly for programming the synths.

No, Thor won't work even if you have Reason 10. It will only work if you have Reason 11 (Intro+).

[antic604]

@antic604

As a potential new user, I didn't get the message, though.

Yeah, I think it was more directed towards (long-term, ideally) Reason users at the time, for whom this must've been a revelation. I guess for everyone else the feeling must've been similar to Android user switching to iPhone - there's lots of great stuff, but my freedom is gone

[WasteLand]

so thor will not work in reason plugin plugin, for instance? if you have reason 10? why do i ask, i want to know, how it works. i will stay with reason 11 suite, the stuff i use, is mainly the new stuff i got, so... and as DAW, i use it also, not that much, but certainly for programming the synths.

No, Thor won't work even if you have Reason 10. It will only work if you have Reason 11 (Intro+).

o i understand now. usefull to other "buyers". is the next step, making thor a RE? thor, is my example, or europa or grain (all 3 i like and use..).
or is the reason plugin rack lite, for a upgrade path to intro (that hasn't the reason plugin rack?).
or indeed only for RE's that aren't "built in".

EDIT: intro has the reason plugin rack, i had forgotten that. it was the first reason 11 lite, that hadn't the plugin rack..

[WasteLand]

@antic604

As a potential new user, I didn't get the message, though.

Yeah, I think it was more directed towards (long-term, ideally) Reason users at the time, for whom this must've been a revelation. I guess for everyone else the feeling must've been similar to Android user switching to iPhone - there's lots of great stuff, but my freedom is gone

i don't understand, why is your freedom gone? ow, about iPhone

[antic604]

o i understand now. usefull to other "buyers". is the next step, making thor a RE? thor, is my example, or europa or grain (all 3 i like and use..).
or is the reason plugin rack lite, for a upgrade path to intro (that hasn't the reason plugin rack?).
or indeed only for RE's that aren't "built in".

No one knows, really. Very popular opinion is that Reason Studios will eventually abandon Reason (the DAW) and will focus on their own - awesome, for the most part! - devices, likely also porting old instruments & FX to RE format, make the Rack Plugin free and sell their stuff + whatever 3rd parties' stuff that want to join; via their shop.