909 VST vs 909 Samples

[Eclectrophonic]

HI All!

What are the differences between a vst 909 and using a sample of a 909 in a software sampler. Would there be any advantages to using the vst. I know functionality may be different but just curious to know the advantages.

Thanks!

[chk071]

Well... first and foremost, you won't be able to sample every single kick, snare, tom, rim shot or clap you can create on the TR-909. There are gazillions of combinations possible with the parameters of the analog sound production. A 909 VST emulates those, which is a advantage already, of course assuming that the emulation is remotely authentic.

[Eclectrophonic]

Well... first and foremost, you won't be able to sample every single kick, snare, tom, rim shot or clap you can create on the TR-909. There are gazillions of combinations possible with the parameters of the analog sound production. A 909 VST emulates those, which is a advantage already, of course assuming that the emulation is remotely authentic.

Yeah but say I was to sample a 909 kick into Reasons ReDrum, there are lots of combinations in there too. Not the same combinations but level, panning, length, velocity, tone, pitch etc.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

A 909 is drum synthesis with sampled cymbals. Do it yourself or get Waldorf Attack.

[chk071]

I always forget that I actually have Waldorf Attack (LE version). Good to know that it's also capable of the 909 stuff.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

Yeah Attack is a 808 909 monster.

[Echoes in the Attic]

As mentioned, for the cymbals samples should be fine since they are sampled in the drum machine. As for the synthesized sounds, it depends on the drum hit in question. The Kick has a lot of variety with the different settings so it's the hardest to capture the different settings with samples. Luckily there is a great free 909 Kick vst (https://synsonic-instruments.com/synsonic-bd-909/). The toms are synthesized so the re-pitching will be different than re-pitching samples but you could probably get a variety of tom samples that cover you pretty well and make minor pitch adjustments to those. The Snare is the other sort of tough one to sample since there is the combination of tone and noise, but you could probably layer two samples of min and max snappy (for the noisy component) and get away with re-pitching those. The other thing to keep in mind though with sampling is that you will get the machine gun effect for fast repetitions, which you don't get with synthesized drums. So this is where for something like the 909 snare, you'd want a good amount of round robin if you do snare rolls. Probably for toms and rim too. This is also important with the 808 and why the real thing or a good model can sound a fair bit better.

Most modeled VST 909s don't quite do it justice but the Roland one is excellent (as is the 808). I think the free 909 Kick from Synsonic does a pretty good job of the Kick though and the rest of the 909 is doable with a bit of work.

[WasteLand]

i can compare it to a real 808 or 909, but the arturia spark 2 emulates the whole thing(s).. as other vintage drumcomputers, that aren't sampled based. to me they sound convincing. maybe i am biased, they sit well in my style of music.

[Eclectrophonic]

Yeah Attack is a 808 909 monster.

I also have this, must check it out.

[Eclectrophonic]

As mentioned, for the cymbals samples should be fine since they are sampled in the drum machine. As for the synthesized sounds, it depends on the drum hit in question. The Kick has a lot of variety with the different settings so it's the hardest to capture the different settings with samples. Luckily there is a great free 909 Kick vst (https://synsonic-instruments.com/synsonic-bd-909/). The toms are synthesized so the re-pitching will be different than re-pitching samples but you could probably get a variety of tom samples that cover you pretty well and make minor pitch adjustments to those. The Snare is the other sort of tough one to sample since there is the combination of tone and noise, but you could probably layer two samples of min and max snappy (for the noisy component) and get away with re-pitching those. The other thing to keep in mind though with sampling is that you will get the machine gun effect for fast repetitions, which you don't get with synthesized drums. So this is where for something like the 909 snare, you'd want a good amount of round robin if you do snare rolls. Probably for toms and rim too. This is also important with the 808 and why the real thing or a good model can sound a fair bit better.

Most modeled VST 909s don't quite do it justice but the Roland one is excellent (as is the 808). I think the free 909 Kick from Synsonic does a pretty good job of the Kick though and the rest of the 909 is doable with a bit of work.

I just tried that Sysonic 909. That's a mighty kick but to me sounds nothing like a 909, more like an 808 to me. There's too much of that subby decay in it that you can't seem to get rid of and also a knock or click (which in many layering kick drum videos have in the top part which I'm not a fan of do) which again you don't seem to be able to get rid of.

[electro]

the d16 909 is decent but understand its abandonware.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

Yeah Attack is a 808 909 monster.

I also have this, must check it out.

How did it go?

[Eclectrophonic]

Yeah Attack is a 808 909 monster.

I also have this, must check it out.

How did it go?

I haven't got round to it yet. Will do tomorrow.

I tried to but couldn't seem to find it. Might have to reinstall it.

EDIT - Well I reinstalled it. The 909 kit sounded pretty average lol!

[gentleclockdivider]

Synapse audio eks pro is a mighy kick machine and does the 808/909 perfectly well
https://www.synapse-audio.com/ekspro.html

[glitchfactor]

Workflow first. That's all that matters. personally i like to place my samples on the grid individually. A synth slows me down.