Tape simulations for that mastering mojo.
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- KVRian
- 1115 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from Berlin, Germany
With anchovies? I'm all ears.
But, well, I doubt that the L1 comparison was meant seriously.
But, well, I doubt that the L1 comparison was meant seriously.
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software dev in the studio-speaker biz | former plugin creator [u-he, samplitude & digitalfishphones]
drummer of The Board
software dev in the studio-speaker biz | former plugin creator [u-he, samplitude & digitalfishphones]
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- KVRAF
- 6462 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
my studer comparison was tho.
When i matched the EQ curve of the studer, they were extremely close, and when i blinded people in the studio preference was not overwhelmingly on one over another, some people referred satin, some studer.
satin really is good, and i haven't tried a tape sim that would be as close to the real thing. they may sound good and pleasant, but they're not authentic.
but i guess people really don't expect authentic from tapes, rather than, "this sounds like my expectation of how a tape should sound despite the fact that it doesn't correlate with reality that much"
also anchovies on a Neapolitan pizza? that's heresy
When i matched the EQ curve of the studer, they were extremely close, and when i blinded people in the studio preference was not overwhelmingly on one over another, some people referred satin, some studer.
satin really is good, and i haven't tried a tape sim that would be as close to the real thing. they may sound good and pleasant, but they're not authentic.
but i guess people really don't expect authentic from tapes, rather than, "this sounds like my expectation of how a tape should sound despite the fact that it doesn't correlate with reality that much"
also anchovies on a Neapolitan pizza? that's heresy
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
Me. I started in music production in the late 70s. So all through the 80s/90s I was on analogue tape. So I know the sound and the impact. ITB is totally different beast.
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- KVRian
- 678 posts since 15 Feb, 2012 from France
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
Yes. However there are elements of analogue that are also desirable ITB. Hence all the hullabaloo...
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- KVRAF
- 2244 posts since 21 Nov, 2015
Like sending sound thru Air.plexuss wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:59 amYes. However there are elements of analogue that are also desirable ITB. Hence all the hullabaloo...
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 24 Sep, 2019
Can you elaborate ?there are elements of analogue that are also desirable ITB. Hence all the hullabaloo...
Can one aurally detect these elements in a way that skews the listening experience ?
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- KVRAF
- 6462 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
it's an unreleased track so unfortunately i can't.nilhartman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:25 pm @Ploki : would you share that Satin / Studer preset of yours please ? Genuinely interested / curious. Cheers !
i can make something else with it tho - i still have the project somewhere.
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- KVRian
- 886 posts since 11 May, 2004 from cologne,germany
Edit: useless comment, sorry.
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 27 Feb, 2018
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- KVRian
- 886 posts since 11 May, 2004 from cologne,germany
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
Noise and distortion - there are applications of noise and distortion that occur in the analogue domain that some people like when optimally used in music production. ITB opens up all kinds of issues and risks with noise and distortion that do not exist in analogue, for example clipping causing wide band intermodulation distortion which is generally not pleasing. There are certain kinds of analogue noise and distortion that when mixed in a subtle way can affect the over-lying audio in pleasing ways. This is one reason why there are so many plugins model analogue. This is also why tape emulations are used.
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 24 Sep, 2019
Isn't that why gain staging exists in the first place ? "stay safe" was a slogan used way before covid-19...plexuss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:21 pmNoise and distortion - there are applications of noise and distortion that occur in the analogue domain that some people like when optimally used in music production. ITB opens up all kinds of issues and risks with noise and distortion that do not exist in analogue, for example clipping causing wide band intermodulation distortion which is generally not pleasing.
I tried to mix (if the term "mix" is in place here) noise from noise generating plug (very very low levels - [-]72dB to [-]90dB). I found the result(s) VERY pleasing (esp. when inserted before a compressor or all sort of dynamic candies).
BUT, as most modern music makers do, we tend to use TONS of plugins/emulations which bring their own in-house noise into the game (usually each copy on its own generates very subtle noise) which can accumulate eventually into one very unpleasing result (esp. with plugs that tend to gather all sorts of debris from the abyss - very low level info - which can open the low end in a very nice way, on the one hand... or leave an almost criminal havoc).
Thanks !