KNIFONIUM synth released
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- KVRian
- 1198 posts since 23 May, 2016
Ploki, No idea what music you are doing where you mind aliasing so much, but for me, in Techno it's a fitting synth. Just as bx_oberhausen, this is not bad at all.
As mentioned before, I'm no fan of some effects, especially Wave folder. Against u-he's Wave folder in Repro this sounds weak / aliased. But the main part of the synth is fine and not sounding too bad.
I support the petition to do more quality oversampling in effects and of course synths, but still this is a good synth and the aliasing problem is not as bad as I have heard it in other places.
As mentioned before, I'm no fan of some effects, especially Wave folder. Against u-he's Wave folder in Repro this sounds weak / aliased. But the main part of the synth is fine and not sounding too bad.
I support the petition to do more quality oversampling in effects and of course synths, but still this is a good synth and the aliasing problem is not as bad as I have heard it in other places.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105548 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
more importantly, how do you say knifonium?Ploki wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:58 pm so i tested it
and it meh'd the f**k out off my drive
pros:
+decent fx
+unique hardware
cons:
-underwhelming
-garbage preset system
-questionable audio quality. Plugin Aliasing strikes again. Synapse and U-He run circles around this
thanks for listening to my podcast
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- KVRAF
- 6443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
hard K like a true slav
also stop harassing me via pms
yeah i mean, it aliases more than repro/diva/legend
also, filter knob lags like ass
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- addled muppet weed
- 105548 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 6443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
maybe it's just taste, eh?
Hit the upper octaves with a Square or Saw on Knif and then on Diva/Repro/Legend.
wait not need, here's a clip:
https://we.tl/t-cA6MZytyhs
this is C6 - it's heard down to C4, yeah, that's middle C. it's not borderline useless "range" or whatever.
and obviously worse at 44.1k.
It sounds good at 192k tho, this garbage disappears completely. That's how i know this is another oversight by PA, not a design choice.
i have enough experience with tube gear that i know it doesn't mirror over nyquist lol
and you don't need a great system to hear that, you can hear it on f**king earpods. And yeah, it sounds horrible on my otherwise splendid monitoring system
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- KVRAF
- 6443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
No, it's confirmation bias on your part.
Here's some reading for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias
Aliasing is pretty objective and measurable, and knif aliases more so than other VA synths.
Also, filter-control lag is very measurable and real. You can't automate filter on this synth in any manner resembling an analog synth. Or in any decent performative manner compared to most other software synths.
Sure, you can run 40 instances instead of 10, but you get what you pay for and you get what your CPU works for.
PA won't acknowledge it like they never f**king do, which is a shame because otherwise it aint a bad synth.
edit: maybe you do like aliasing and "digital" sound this thing produces tho, I like it too. I bought bazille because I actually like this kind of sound - it's just not what I'd expect from a VA Tube design Also, i kinda prefer my synths to sound at least a little coherent across sampling rates. It's 2020, not too much to ask.
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- KVRist
- 169 posts since 11 Apr, 2006
Haha yeah totally, I definitely prefer the first sound over the cleaner DIVA. I just love the interactions between controls in knif and after putting it through FX and more distortion and slicing it up, haven't really noticed anything other than it sounding f**king siiiiick
but also this is the kind of music i'm making so...
the first bass is Knif.
https://clyp.it/nkwqjr12
but also this is the kind of music i'm making so...
the first bass is Knif.
https://clyp.it/nkwqjr12
- KVRian
- 1172 posts since 25 Jan, 2017
I still wish to buy it (ok maybe not at $100 as I said earlier) and always thought of using it at much lower ranges anyway, but holy crap that was badPloki wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:48 ammaybe it's just taste, eh?
Hit the upper octaves with a Square or Saw on Knif and then on Diva/Repro/Legend.
wait not need, here's a clip:
https://we.tl/t-cA6MZytyhs
this is C6 - it's heard down to C4, yeah, that's middle C. it's not borderline useless "range" or whatever.
and obviously worse at 44.1k.
It sounds good at 192k tho, this garbage disappears completely. That's how i know this is another oversight by PA, not a design choice.
i have enough experience with tube gear that i know it doesn't mirror over nyquist lol
and you don't need a great system to hear that, you can hear it on f**king earpods. And yeah, it sounds horrible on my otherwise splendid monitoring system
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- KVRAF
- 6443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
? what gain staging mirroring is generally not affected by gainstaging, it can be exacerbated by driving a signal - but this is not what's happening here.
That was knif with bypassed FX and open filter. It doesn't matter how much signal you push into the filter, aliasing is proportional to the input signal.
funny tho
Some of these responses to this synth really make me question people's cognitive ability
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- KVRAF
- 5717 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
Gainstaging is central to sound design in this synth. That's practically the whole point of the synth. You can overdrive some sections but not others depending on how you want the output to sound. As clipping-type distortion is generally a major source of aliasing in any processor, changes in how you apply this overdrive are clearly going to affect aliasing levels.
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- KVRAF
- 6443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
well in practice it doesntGamma-UT wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:30 pmGainstaging is central to sound design in this synth. That's practically the whole point of the synth. You can overdrive some sections but not others depending on how you want the output to sound. As clipping-type distortion is generally a major source of aliasing in any processor, changes in how you apply this overdrive are clearly going to affect aliasing levels.
that's because you don't need to actually drive a saw or square wave to get a lot of harmonics.
edit:
thanks for the dislikes, feel free to prove me wrong.
here's a VCO level automate into the mixer:
https://we.tl/t-cUAf11fkYS
and in any case, tubes don't clip in the way to mirror frequencies over nyquist.