How did you manage to switch DAWs?

[revvy]

Is Orion a DAW anyway?

[vurt]

Is Orion a DAW anyway?

it is/was.
and a fine one at that!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Is Orion a DAW anyway?

From the developer of Obsession, Dune etc.

[BONES]

That YOU have/had a problem with the situation was always clear. The part that is in contention is whether you were also claiming that Orion's superiority was an objective fact.

That's just you reading shit into what's written that is not so much as implied by what is actually there. I wrote it to add a bit of context, so the OP would understand that I was a reluctant switcher, not someone eager to upgrade. To be honest, I was pretty sure you were joking, which is I why I called you an idiot, so don't take it to heart.

"The problem I have is that nothing will ever be as good as Orion." can be also interpreted as "Nothing is as good as Orion!"

No, the only thing you can get from it is that "nothing is as good as Orion for me". I just put the personal pro-noun before the statement, not after it. Either way, the meaning remains the same.

Opinion as fact, once again?

No, the opposite. You did it here and in 5 minutes I could provide you with a dozen other examples.

Of course, we all have our biases.

Of course we do, the main difference seems to be that I am aware of mine and most of you are totally oblivious to yours, as evidenced right here, given that only a complete idiot would think Orion was actually better than Cubase when it only has a tiny fraction of the features. It is such an absurd notion that a rational person would not think someone meant that for even a second, even without the use of a personal pro-noun. That you fail to see that the conclusion you jumped to is so absurd demonstrates amply how biased your reading of a simple sentence was. That you continue to argue the point demonstrates that you are oblivious to that bias, thereby supporting my assertion.

[revvy]

The problem I have is that nothing will ever be as good as Logic.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

only a complete idiot would think Orion was actually better than Cubase

When it comes to making ludicrous bullshit claims, you've got more form than granny's compression stockings.

But you're right...I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.

Sorry

[jancivil]

As to the supposed ease of adopting availed to the person who has indeed created music before there were DAWs, as though a DAW is primarily a tape recorder with features, looks an oversimplification to me.

I started with these kinds of applications from that perspective. Quite a lot of what I do is improvised, some of which is first take, which is my experience and possible because of training. So, initially it was record takes and get it right just as one does when money is on the line.
So I am well-disposed to this approach to begin with.

However, I started getting things done in the first decade of this century (on a machine with terrible latency, no server farms like a pro used at the time) when I learned to construct and create via editing and finally creating strictly with Cubase's tools.
Still, I would record basics in (for the rhythm/timing/feel) to an irrelevant timeline (not even bars 'n beats, SMPTE) for years, basically abhorring quantization. After a point, I figured I wanted to know exactly where the bars and beats where, in order to arrange with better precision, or primarily with better knowledge of what I was doing. Fortunately by this time Cubase had come out with Time Warp, where you can determine these facts after recording (or writing freely); rather than set a tempo by a guess and your music conforms to this timeline the timeline conforms to your idea.

Now, there was a time when few (if any other) hosts did this. This was innovative, afaik brand new, for Cubase SX2 or whatever version it was. Now, Studio One 4 adopted it at some version, iirc Logic has in its version, and Samplitude on the Windows platform has done for a while.
So: if I'm doing this kind of workflow, DAW-reliant, I need this. I now have several options. I could develop a good workflow with the little period of adjustment. This was not true a decade ago, there was Cubase and that's that.
It's only been the case for a few years, two or three years as far as I can reckon. And I am addicted to working with time in this granular and deeper level, it's rather the point, to know.

I don't have any actual needs not met by Cubase, albeit at one time the latency and performance was poor enough on Mac where I bought Logic and Digital Performer. Logic at that time def did not have this feature. DP I never bothered with as I learned it had a kind of poor relationship with VE Pro at that time, and Logic proved to be a logistical nightmare for multitimbral setup with VEP.

[BONES]

The problem I have is that nothing will ever be as good as Logic.

Given the way you get fleeced every time you buy a new Mac to run Logic, I suppose there is some merit in your comment. It's just not relevant to the discussion at hand, unless you've actually tried to switch to another host. As you haven't contributed anything to this thread beyond inanities, I can only assume you have not.

[revvy]

The problem I have is that nothing will ever be as good as Logic.

Given the way you get fleeced every time you buy a new Mac to run Logic, I suppose there is some merit in your comment. It's just not relevant to the discussion at hand, unless you've actually tried to switch to another host. As you haven't contributed anything to this thread beyond inanities, I can only assume you have not.

Mac was a fair price, thanks.

My main comment to the thread was posted previously, you can search it.

I tried to switch to Logic from Live when I got frustrated with Ableton over, erm, an issue.Love Logic more, it's better than Live (my post you commented on) but cannot replicate certain Live elements, so now I use 2 'doors' instead of one. Thanks for asking.

[revvy]

BTW, honored that you dislike the levity of my posts, I leave the heavyweight stuff to longstanding industry pros and forum kings such as yourself. Although if I may ask, why do you always bold the anal of analogue?