Another DAW with piano roll as great as FL Studio?

[EnGee]

You seem to have tested it thoroughly. So maybe learning to play with some knowledge of music theory is the best way to go for the OP. It frees him/her from depending on a specific piano roll

But seeing many classically trained film composer using one of the best piano roll daw in the world, Cubase, those skill didn’t nullify their tendency of choice.

I didn't know that the OP is a "classically trained film composer"! Just teasing

Anyway, Classic composers don't even use a piano roll! They use a score editor or just a blank sheet music and a pen or a pencil and eraser so they don't need that right click to delete a note

[jonljacobi]

If you want true satisfaction from anything, it has to come from your mind and your heart. The only way that can happen is if you work, learn, and do it yourself. There’s nothing special about the FLS piano roll other than its paint by numbers features. These can be fun and educational if you use them as such. But in the end, anyone who’s trained will avoid them as they deliver no true reward.

[tooneba]

These can be fun and educational if you use them as such. But in the end, anyone who’s trained will avoid them as they deliver no true reward.

That goes for everything. You don't need other than piano, stool, pencil and paper "if you are trained".

[xbitz]

I'm still learning S1 but after a couple of hours the score view + note repeater combo seems quite fun /usable to me

hardly ever have had to use the piano roll view (in trance the primary intervals are 1-3-5 which can be seen clearly on the sheet without any additionally thinking so handy for both progression writing and counter melodies too, dunno the other genres )

(if somebody missed it https://www.musicnotes.com/now/tips/how ... eet-music/ )

[Trancit]

...There’s nothing special about the FLS piano roll other than its paint by numbers features. ...

This can only write a person who never understood it´s PR properly... but anyway...:

What are it´s paint by numbers features??? Just curious...

Second...the OP likes how the "smart tool" in FLS is layed out and asks which other DAW can behave the same way...
Where is the problem???
Why is there any need to try to cut down if somebody draws in notes vs. recording them respectively the assumption of lacking music theory behind even if there is absolutely no proof for that...

Tell me how a studied violinist, who properly knows 10 times more about music theory than all of you together, shall record Midi into a DAW... or a professional brass player... or a drummer...???

[Trancit]

I'm still learning S1 but after a couple of hours the score view + note repeater combo seems quite fun /usable to me
...

And how does this relates to this question???

Another DAW with piano roll as great as FL Studio?

[xbitz]

no PR no problem, case solved (especially if it's better then PR)

[Passing Bye]

Tell me how a studied violinist, who properly knows 10 times more about music theory than all of you together, shall record Midi into a DAW... or a professional brass player... or a drummer...???

What is your point, none of them should enter anything in a DAW, engineer should record what they know doing, playing an instrument of choice, if they decide to step their game and become producers, picking up keyboard with drum pads should be the way to go.

[xbitz]

but back to the original question, based on the most active user base list, https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-bes ... pc-and-mac

2. PreSonus Studio One
4. Cockos Reaper 6
6. Apple Logic Pro
9. Bitwig Studio

not sure about the others have similar PR as FL has based on the basic mouse operations like select-draw-erase-resize

worth to check https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html I would add higher weights to
Ease of Use, Automation, Midi if I would want to change from FL to something else

[Trancit]

Tell me how a studied violinist, who properly knows 10 times more about music theory than all of you together, shall record Midi into a DAW... or a professional brass player... or a drummer...???

What is your point, none of them should enter anything in a DAW, engineer should record what they know doing, playing an instrument of choice, if they decide to step their game and become producers, picking up keyboard with drum pads should be the way to go.

What do you mean???

Peeps here stated, instead of drawing something in it would always be better to record it in as drawing would be a sign for lacking music theory or being a bad muscian in general...

I wrote that this is nonsense as there are many other good muscians out there who have their skills on other instruments but not on piano/keyboard...
Even with being a good muscian it doesn´t serve them anything because it´s quite hard to record midi for a bassline, for drums or a synth into a DAW with a trumpet or a violin...
So these people don´t have any other chance than either learning keyboard properly or just drawing in the notes what would be the closest thing to do...

And I do not understand what shall be wrong with drawing in notes for people not having intense keyboard knowledge and training...

Does this answer your question (if it was any)??

[EnGee]

Tell me how a studied violinist, who properly knows 10 times more about music theory than all of you together, shall record Midi into a DAW... or a professional brass player... or a drummer...???

What is your point, none of them should enter anything in a DAW, engineer should record what they know doing, playing an instrument of choice, if they decide to step their game and become producers, picking up keyboard with drum pads should be the way to go.

What do you mean???

Peeps here stated, instead of drawing something in it would always be better to record it in as drawing would be a sign for lacking music theory or being a bad muscian in general...

I wrote that this is nonsense as there are many other good muscians out there who have their skills on other instruments but not on piano/keyboard...
Even with being a good muscian it doesn´t serve them anything because it´s quite hard to record midi for a bassline, for drums or a synth into a DAW with a trumpet or a violin...
So these people don´t have any other chance than either learning keyboard properly or just drawing in the notes what would be the closest thing to do...

And I do not understand what shall be wrong with drawing in notes for people not having intense keyboard knowledge and training...

Does this answer your question (if it was any)??

But what that magic has FL Piano Roll?! What those functions that no one can produce!!!

If it is related to right click deleting a note, this is so stupid in my opinion and many others! For this he/she can't switch to another DAW?!! Man people are so spoiled now that is beyond imagination!

Now, if it is related to scales and chords, I suggested to learn some music theory because those scales and chords are based on it! What is so strange in that?! What is the harm in learning something he is using without knowing the basis?! That is chords and scales!

I suggested to learn playing and I'm sorry to suggest that! I forgot that nowadays it is a shame to learn to play an instrument. It is the mouse and only mouse era! I give you that! Next time when I chat with someone musician, I would ask first: "Are you a mouseman?"

[tooneba]

...There’s nothing special about the FLS piano roll other than its paint by numbers features. ...

This can only write a person who never understood it´s PR properly... but anyway...:

What are it´s paint by numbers features??? Just curious...

Second...the OP likes how the "smart tool" in FLS is layed out and asks which other DAW can behave the same way...
Where is the problem???
Why is there any need to try to cut down if somebody draws in notes vs. recording them respectively the assumption of lacking music theory behind even if there is absolutely no proof for that...

I remember now he is that guy who has been pontificating using too much piano roll is untrained musician all over the place. yikes

[Passing Bye]

Tell me how a studied violinist, who properly knows 10 times more about music theory than all of you together, shall record Midi into a DAW... or a professional brass player... or a drummer...???

What is your point, none of them should enter anything in a DAW, engineer should record what they know doing, playing an instrument of choice, if they decide to step their game and become producers, picking up keyboard with drum pads should be the way to go.

What do you mean???

Peeps here stated, instead of drawing something in it would always be better to record it in as drawing would be a sign for lacking music theory or being a bad muscian in general...

I wrote that this is nonsense as there are many other good muscians out there who have their skills on other instruments but not on piano/keyboard...
Even with being a good muscian it doesn´t serve them anything because it´s quite hard to record midi for a bassline, for drums or a synth into a DAW with a trumpet or a violin...
So these people don´t have any other chance than either learning keyboard properly or just drawing in the notes what would be the closest thing to do...

And I do not understand what shall be wrong with drawing in notes for people not having intense keyboard knowledge and training...

Does this answer your question (if it was any)??

Who are these people, you, someone you know, I never met any trained musician that can play some instrument and than as a producer doesn't use keyboard at least, but go about penciling notes in FL or whatever, seems really odd for one accomplished musician to cripple himself to the point where he can't hit few right notes and than fix the timing later on.

[xbitz]

it's not just about notes it's quite well integrated into the system for ex. using Granulizer it can display positions, slice markers etc.

similarly in SliceX


and the per-note etc. effects can be handled nicely using the native plugins of FL

and the different color codes(MIDI channels) of the PR

etc. and because FL is running on 60fps the whole system is a bit more responsive compared with other DAWs IMO (it's just my personal feeling)

[VariKusBrainZ]

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Can you explain your statement quoted below and cite some other DAWs' equivalent figures?

FL is running on 60fps